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KDE,-- possibly best choice?

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I notice a number of the programs I really like are "KDE Programs"

maybe KDE is my best choice ? are there important advantages to the "KDE Environment" ?
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Hi Mike,
KDE has some very cool navigational and customization features, and as you have noted
a nice set of gui.
As for me--- each DE offers something to tickle my fancy, and do not limit myself to just one
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I'm of the opinion that the best tool for the job is...well...the best tool for the job. If you like and use KDE apps anyway, then why not use the KDE environment? It's still Linux after all, and Mint tools are basically the same between all DE. It's mostly a case of personal preference anyway.
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Maybe I am biased but my answer to your question is definitely YES.
I moved to KDE some years ago and loving it more and more. It works great, looks amazing and no matter what others say: it runs fast and smooth.
Which programs do you like to use that may make you jump into KDE?
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I agree with Neil: the DE is a tool, and so pick the right tool for the job.

I use KDE because I like the flexibility of the Plasma DE, though I personally prefer more of the Gnomish programs over their K-analogues.

But... after a few years, I am getting used to Kate, Dolphin, and the like.
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I have been using Mint KDE for a couple of years and nothing else (except for Mate on the utility drive for backups etc.) During this time I have tried numerous other desktops and distros on a thumb drive just to check them out. But I always prefer Mint KDE. The really good part of it is that I am continuously learning new things that can be done with KDE. It does the job, it always works and I never get bored.

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Burn ISO, boot live session and see for yourself. It's the only way to be sure if it's the right choice for you.
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What I like about KDE is that no matter how much you keep cluttering it, it still looks good.
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The best way to see how much you like KDE would probably be to dl the mint 17.3 KDE live CD iso and boot it from a USB stick ... you could just install the KDE DE but installling multiple DEs will make your system less reliable. And the problems aren't easy to diagnose.

It isn't really necessary to install KDE to use KDE apps but you may not want all the dependencies it'll also install. The theming may not be as nice as they'd be in a KDE install but they'll still work fine. I've used Dolphn as a file manager in non KDE DEs before but I don't anymore.

Mind you while there are some excellent KDE apps, many if not most are no better than the GTK equivalents.

I ran KDE for a while and while I use Xfce now it's nice. It's extremely configurable, almost to a fault. One of the best things is that unlike other heavyweight DEs like Unity or Gnome 3 or Cinnamon, you can seriously tweak it for speed. Just for a start you can turn off all desktop compositing effects in KDE, unlike the other 3 I just mentioned. This is essential to get decent performance on older or weaker hardware and even with faster hardware I want to turn off all the eye candy.
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Hi.

KDE is not my first choice but it's great. My son uses it on fedora. Don't know how he put it on, but he really likes it. He uses fedora because he maintains about forty RedHat servers for a University. So fedora makes sense for him. He hates gnome though, so he popped KDE on it to make it more tolerable. As for myself, I'm a Cinnamon man. KDE would be my next choice.
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KDE is my favourite of the four Mint DEs. It performs very well on the dual-core netbook with 2GB which is once again back as my main carry-around computer, having decided not to put Windows 7 back on it, even as dual-boot which I'd been thinking about for a while.

KDE is heaven for those of us who like to be able to configure everything and looks great too, I really like the Dolphin file manager and other KDE programs and think it's better to run these on the appropriate DE anyway for the reasons mentioned above (dependencies) and theme integration.
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To date KDE as been the only DE for me, although I plan to test Cinnamon more when 18 comes out and I get my olde laptop repaired. I just received word today that it can be done!!! It's a very special job and needed, er, a specialist.

Advantages of KDE:

1. As has been stated: Customisation. You can truly make KDE work the way you WANT it. No other DE comes close - though Cinnamon is starting to look more KDE like.
2. Keyboard shortcut support is second to none. I can map all manner of apps and folders to shortcut keys making my navigating to the 'Start' Menu minimal. Saves me masses of time and impresses my students no end!
3. I find the KDE/QT applications intergrate very nicely into KDE more than the othr DE's. So everyting runs seamlessly. Using XFCE it feels more like an OS with a lot of scatters apps while Mint KDE feels like a full system with apps that all work the same way.
4. KDE is the most powerful DE on the planet - walking al over Windows. While the intrgrated Indexing system for search in KDE can be a pain on occasion it allows for incredible search facilities that leave every other DE standing (and it can be turned off if you want.) I haven't scratched the power of KDE! It's the best DE to show off to Windows/Mac users if you want to demonstrate power. Font handling, for instance, is built right in and so easy to install fonts it's unreal.
5. KDE is very intuitive. It's easy to use and works they way you expect. It's classic 'Windows like' but mantains consistency (unlike Windows which is now a mess in terms of UI.) So you pick it up very quickly indeed.
6. Contrary to popular opinion KDE will run on minimal hardware. I have had it running on a number of netbooks. They key it to turn off desktop effects. Switching indexing can help with speed in some specific cases. While KDE 4 was slow and a mess when first release, KDE has been super optimised since and is on the most speed efficient DE's going for code. (Not, I hasten to add, in terms of footprint.) Still, I have had KDE running very happily on Pentium 4 desktops with 1GB of RAM and a 40GB HD.
7. I used Kdenlive to death which required the Kde/QT libraries so it kinda makes sense to use the native DE for the editor. But also, like you, I use a lot of Kde apps - KDEgames (for kids in some classes,) Kaffine as well as VLC, K3B and Dolphin is a dream.

DISADVANTAGES:

1. KDE is geared for power and customisation over speed - even though KDE is optimised. On half powerful HW KDE will rocket. But on really minimal hardware you do sacrifice speed. If speed is your number 1 concern then KDE is not for you. (I prefer flexibility over speed myself.)
2. Some people find the customisation options for KDE overwhelming. Personally, I have never understood that myself. KDE puts everything in one place - 'system settings' and it all seems logical to me. But I understand that some people who prefer a system that does things one way can get lost with KDE.
3. KDE is nothing like the MacOS and so if you like a Mac way of doing things KDE is not for you. But then, none of the standard Mint DE's are Mac like. Only GNOME comes close and that's not Cinnamon or Mate.
4. Plasma 5 which Mint 18 is supposed to be going to has gone for the tablet style 'flat icon' look which I am not a fan off. There are no longer borders around apps which means apps can merge into each other on screen which is a right pain. System settings are a but more odd now and where you could turn of desktop effects in Plasma 4 with one single tick box, now you have switch each effect off by hand as with Windows. I haven't played with Plasma 5 long enough to really form an opinion yet but there is room for Plasma 5 being less friendly than 4.
5. Relating to point 4, the lastest KDE apps require the Plasma 5 lbraries. So if you are using KDE/QT apps and you want the latest renderings you HAVE to go Mint 18. If you then find you don't like the Mint 18 flat style you may find it's easier accessing the KDE apps in Cinnamon. I am in the weird position of being able to run the latest Kdenlive in the Beta of Cinnamon Mint 18 but I have absolutely no way of running it in any KDE rendering of Mint yet! I have to wait for the KDE edition.

That's my vibe. I note that a lot of Linux prioritise speed over other considerations. Certainly outside the Mint forums I find discussions and discontent seems to much to do with speed and squeezing the last clock cycle out of the system. So for a lot of Linux users a lightweight DE with ery little customisation that 'just works' and allows them to get down to work at top speed becomes their preference.

KDE isn't like that. It goes for power and versatility over speed. Not, I hasten to add, at the cost of ease of use I think KDE is damn easy to use and can be picked up instinctively by Windows XP and 7 users. But if you value speed above all else, KDE is not for you.

As I say, it's probably worth playing around with both KDE Plasma 4 and 5 to see if you are happy with the new styling of KDE. It's not like Gnome 3 which through the whole desktop UI concept out the window (as with Windows 8) and so Plasma remains as usable as before and follows the same workflow. But the look and feel of Plasma 5 is arguably not as nice as 4.

But if you like the KDE apps, are happy with a fast system (just not the fastest system possible, ever, like LXDE, say) then KDE is a good place to be.
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thanks for all the notes; this is a big help. i'll plan to set up a kde for a check ride
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KDE is my choice. I just wish the menu was more like MATE or Cinnamon. I've tried other menu launchers but they just don't compare to me
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Pepi wrote:KDE is my choice. I just wish the menu was more like MATE or Cinnamon. I've tried other menu launchers but they just don't compare to me
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I use 64 bit Mint KDE on my low-power ASUS 1015E netbook and it runs like a champ.
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In the past I have run KDE on a 2 gigahertz machine with 2 gigabytes of memory... It worked very well!

Now it is running on a 4 gigahertz 8 core with 16 gigabytes of memory... It is extreme!


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Pepi wrote:KDE is my choice. I just wish the menu was more like MATE or Cinnamon. I've tried other menu launchers but they just don't compare to me
I use the keyboard shortcuts! I rarely touch the menu launcher.

The 'windows' button plus the keyboard button of my choice and it's instant access to:

Firefox, Chromnium, Kdenlive, GIMP, Gwenview, Dolphin, Konsole, commonly used folders...

THIS is where KDE rules. I barely need the launcher! I even run up synaptic and KDE partition manager by keyboard shortcuts!
[Cinnamon looks good in this respect but I have not had clear time to test and my test netbook in in for repair along with my wife's laptop which my be completely dead. Lack of machines plus need to work killed testing of Cinnamon.]

I also assume you are aware of 'classic' mode for the menu launcher? I only ever use classic.
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Anyone tried KDE neon 5.7?

http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=09468
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Yes, in a virtual machine. It looks rather nice and is responsive. I *think* the widgets might be different (I didn't dig real deep), but I did miss wobbly windows ;)
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