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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby jageorge72 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:49 am

Thanks for the response. I'm starting to think I will make this a Linux-only computer. I still have a laptop with Windows 10 in case something disastrous happens. If that is the case, I might be able to drop down to one 500GB SS Drive.
I do have a 1 TB external hard drive..... I keep all the important stuff backed up there. Also use Carbonite in case my house burns down..... haha. You never know. I think a Linux version is called Crash Plan? So..... one SSD should be sufficient.

As far as the BluRay-capable optical drive goes..... we don't own a BluRay player yet..... so this will be it!

I'm still a little confused on the motherboard. I think I'm good with the Intel i5 6500 Quad Core chip at 3.2 GHz. But.... what is a good, highly-rated motherboard to pair with it? If I buy an overclock-able motherboard and just don't use that feature, then so be it. But.... if I can save $30 or so and get and equally good, non-overclock-able MB, then why not? If anyone has MB recommendations to work well with that processor, feel free to comment. :)

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Jim Hauser » Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:56 am

On my system I run KDE 18 with XP running in Virtual Box in case I need it. I too had the same overclocking concerns when I upgraded so I purchased an Asus M5A 78L-M USB3 motherboard for my AMD FX8350 (8 cores at 4,000)

This motherboard is for AMD only so it would do you no good but I have always used Asus boards. It will overclock if needed.

The biggest issue I had with multi-core is temperature. At this moment the CPU is running 90F degrees without any real loads. When running overnight fractal renders (100%) it will reach 140F degrees. For me the stock heat-sink/fan was not enough (165F degrees at 100%) so I purchased the largest heat-sink/fan that would fit into the case. I am also using Conky to keep an eye on this.

It looks like you will have a fine Linux machine able to run any distro.

Cheers!

Jim

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Arch_Enemy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:01 pm

Citizen229 wrote:The reason you mostly hear about laptops is because they tend to have limited resources and windows is not very nice in that department. I have built my own rigs since the amd k2 days. My first water cooled rig used a heater core from a 76 chevette as a rad and some tupperware for a res. The heater core was soon replaced with a universal automatics transmission cooler which fit 2x 120mm fans perfectly. It let me OC that old thunderbird cpu very well and dropped the temp in the bedroom 20F when the door was closed. My friends called it "Frankenram"

Mint 17.3xfce.
AMD 4350 4.2 ghtz quad-evo212 cooler 120mmx2 push pull.
ASrock 970 extreme4 board
R9 280x gpu
OCZ 60 gig x2 ssd (old as dirt. OCZ Core v2 thats how old, $300 each back then)
OCZ 240 gig ssd( not as old)
Fractal Designs Define R5 atx case- best case I have ever owned.
750w gold seasonic PSU - a bit much i know but you never know :D

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352056&cm_re=define_r5-_-11-352-056-_-Product

Sony Vaio laptop- Xfce
Gateway netbook- Xfce



Hee hee...I got a K2 up to 450 MHz and ran it that way for 6 years! It would boot into BIOS at 500 but the OS wouldn't load. Wish I'd thought of watercooling.

Chevette heater core...I like the way this guy thinks! :D
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Arch_Enemy » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:09 pm

jageorge72 wrote:Thanks for the response. I'm starting to think I will make this a Linux-only computer. I still have a laptop with Windows 10 in case something disastrous happens. If that is the case, I might be able to drop down to one 500GB SS Drive.
I do have a 1 TB external hard drive..... I keep all the important stuff backed up there. Also use Carbonite in case my house burns down..... haha. You never know. I think a Linux version is called Crash Plan? So..... one SSD should be sufficient.

As far as the BluRay-capable optical drive goes..... we don't own a BluRay player yet..... so this will be it!

I'm still a little confused on the motherboard. I think I'm good with the Intel i5 6500 Quad Core chip at 3.2 GHz. But.... what is a good, highly-rated motherboard to pair with it? If I buy an overclock-able motherboard and just don't use that feature, then so be it. But.... if I can save $30 or so and get and equally good, non-overclock-able MB, then why not? If anyone has MB recommendations to work well with that processor, feel free to comment. :)


I used to be an ATi fan. Now I've gone to nVidia, primarily because ATi's drivers suck, and their boards aren't as rock solid any more.

Similarly, I used to love ASUS. After the last 2 ASUS systems I built failed I moved to BioStar, nice boards at good prices, but after 4 years they started giving me trouble 8) Now when I build something either for myself or friends I tend to go with GigByte. Overclockable, durable, lots of features. Not as much of a bargain as BioStar but very few failures. Last one I built for myself was 7 years ago with a 3.6 Intel dual core, and it's still running, although it's the back up. I built a killer GigaByte for a guy with a recording studio and I haven't heard from him since, except when he calls to say "This thing is GREAT!", which he does every 4-6 months. The only problem was an A-to-D interface for his digital recorder. It was compatible with just about everything but...Gigabyte. I brought it home and put it in my mule...no go. Put it into my Intel boarded machine and it said "Let's go to work!" So, if you have a weird board make sure it is compatible first.
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby jdm » Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:00 pm

My desktop build - general use, media.

I tried a few linux distros, opensuse, ubuntu, knoppix (appreciate it is intended as a live distro) during the noughties but never found them easy enough to replace XP in my Pentium 4 Toshiba Satellite laptop. Upgraded to a dual core HP laptop with Vista which gave me nothing but grief, came across LM8 Helena and wiped Vista for good.

No longer needing laptops I decided to replace the ageing HP laptop DV2500 (then running LM13) with a home built desktop.

This consists of the following hardware - updated 10th feb:

Gigabyte GA-H97N-WiFi miniITX motherboard
Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz processor
Gigabyte GV-N75TOC-2GI graphics
Thermalright AXP-100 cooler
Seasonic SS-550RM 550W G Series PSU
2x Kingston 8GB 1600MHz KHX16C9T3K2/16X RAM
Kingston 120GB SSDNow V300 SV300S37A/120G SSD - file system /
2TB 2.5" Seagate ST2000LM003 - /home
2TB 3.5" Toshiba DT01ABA200 HDD - workspace/backups/etc
2TB 3.5" Toshiba PA4292E-1HL0 HDD - backup (likely to need it for /home as it's an aging Seagate)
Pioneer DVR-S21LBK DVD-RW
Corsair Obsidian 250D case

This has performed perfectly since completion, mid 2014, it's probably over the top for what I need but it comfortably runs 4 screens without any issues. Running LM 17.3 it rarely ever gets above 45 degrees C. It wasn't cheap at around £800 but then neither was the HP DV2500 at nearly £600 that needed a new motherboard after 3 years due to the graphics overheating that occurred and then it only lasted another 3 years after that.

My problem will come in 2 years time when 17.3 becomes obsolete. Maybe something better will come along in that time. For now this is as good as it gets.

JDM

Edit: Now upgraded to 18.1
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby eddier » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:17 pm

Decide on your Budget.Then-

1.select Motherboard
2.Memory
3.Graphics card
4.Power Supply
5.Hard drive.
6.Case.
7. Processor + Heatsink/fan.

Join them all up.Job done,install Mint.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby tinca » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:29 am

I decided to build this my last computer build so that I could have something really nice. I do not run Windows, nor do I run games, so it is overkill.

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keith@keith-Z97X-UD5H-BK ~/Desktop $  inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: keith-Z97X-UD5H-BK Kernel: 4.4.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: MATE 1.16.1 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: Z97X-UD5H-BK v: x.x
           Bios: American Megatrends v: F7 date: 04/21/2015
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-4790K (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 31927
           clock speeds: max: 4400 MHz 1: 4397 MHz 2: 4400 MHz 3: 4400 MHz
           4: 4399 MHz 5: 4401 MHz 6: 4401 MHz 7: 4400 MHz 8: 4400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x768@59.87hz
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Haswell Desktop
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0
           Card-2 Intel 9 Series Family HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-3 Trust driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 003-004
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-53-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection I217-V
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: f080 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eno1 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Ralink RT5392 PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
           driver: rt2800pci v: 2.3.0 bus-ID: 01:00.0
           IF: wlp1s0 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-3: Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: alx port: e000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: enp3s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 7001.4GB (5.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA1 size: 1000.2GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA1 size: 1000.2GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: ST2000DM001 size: 2000.4GB
           ID-4: /dev/sdd model: ST2000DM001 size: 2000.4GB
           ID-5: /dev/sde model: TOSHIBA_DT01ACA1 size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 92G used: 6.4G (8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb5
           ID-2: /home size: 807G used: 285G (38%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 20.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
           ID-4: swap-2 size: 20.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-1
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 249 Uptime: 53 min Memory: 705.4/15861.4MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35
keith@keith-Z97X-UD5H-BK ~/Desktop $ ^C




It runs through a 32 inch Samsung 323T monitor, with a Cherry keyboard

Best regards Keith
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby rdonnelly » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:00 am

I recently built a Mint desktop. I am done buying laptops that turn into a hunk of wasted money in 4 years with no hardware upgrades available, if I want to be portable, I have an Android phone and tablet.

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System:    Host: bob-desktop Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: KDE Plasma 4.14.2 (Qt 4.8.6) Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: 970 PRO GAMING/AURA v: Rev 1.xx
           Bios: American Megatrends v: 0801 date: 08/16/2016
CPU:       Octa core AMD FX-8370 Eight-Core (-MCP-) cache: 16384 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm) bmips: 64221
           clock speeds: max: 4000 MHz 1: 2100 MHz 2: 2100 MHz 3: 4000 MHz
           4: 4000 MHz 5: 2100 MHz 6: 4000 MHz 7: 2100 MHz 8: 3400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GF119 [GeForce GT 610] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.17.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.0hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GT 610/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 367.57 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 NVIDIA GF119 HDMI Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic
Network:   Card: Intel I211 Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: igb v: 5.2.15-k port: d000 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 4004.8GB (20.0% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD30EFRX size: 3000.6GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10JPVX size: 1000.2GB
           ID-3: USB /dev/sdc model: USB_2.0_FD size: 4.0GB
           Optical: /dev/sr0 model: hp DVD A  DH16AAL
           rev: LHDE dev-links: cdrom
           Features: speed: 40x multisession: yes
           audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running
Partition: ID-1: / size: 19G used: 7.1G (41%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda5
           ID-2: /home size: 459G used: 27G (7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 64.00GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 40.4C mobo: N/A gpu: 0.0:41C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 242 Uptime: 20:31 Memory: 5522.6/15946.1MB
           Init: Upstart runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.111) inxi: 2.2.28
Using Mint since 2008
*Mint 18.2 KDE
*ASUS 970 PRO GAMING/AURA AM3+ AMD 970 + SB 950 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1
*AMD FX-8370 with AMD Wraith cooler Vishera 8-Core 4.0 GHz (4.3 GHz Turbo)
*G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB DDR3 SDRAM
*nVIDIA GEFORCE GT 610 2GB

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby CrazyElf » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:19 pm

I run Linux Mint on my custom built desktop as well.

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System:    Host: X99A-XPower Kernel: 4.9.5-040905-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 6.2.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.2.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.1)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   Mobo: MSI model: X99A XPOWER AC (MS-7881) v: 2.0
           Bios: American Megatrends v: A.60 date: 07/15/2016
CPU:       Octa core Intel Core i7-5960X (-HT-MCP-) cache: 20480 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 47996
           clock speeds: max: 4500 MHz 1: 1395 MHz 2: 2909 MHz 3: 1389 MHz
           4: 1361 MHz 5: 1319 MHz 6: 1234 MHz 7: 1213 MHz 8: 1560 MHz
           9: 1246 MHz 10: 3261 MHz 11: 1617 MHz 12: 1324 MHz 13: 1202 MHz
           14: 1201 MHz 15: 1395 MHz 16: 1513 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Hawaii XT [Radeon R9 290X]
           bus-ID: 02:00.0
           Card-2: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Hawaii XT [Radeon R9 290X]
           bus-ID: 05:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 2560x1440@59.95hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD HAWAII (DRM 2.48.0 / 4.9.5-040905-generic, LLVM 5.0.0)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 17.0.0-devel - padoka PPA Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 2x Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Hawaii HDMI Audio
           driver: snd_hda_intelsnd_hda_intel bus-ID: 05:00.1
           Card-2 C-Media CMI8788 [Oxygen HD Audio]
           driver: snd_virtuoso port: d000 bus-ID: 04:04.0
           Card-3 Intel C610/X99 series HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-4 Blue Microphones Yeti Stereo Microphone
           driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 005-002
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.9.5-040905-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel Ethernet Connection (2) I218-V
           driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: f020 bus-ID: 00:19.0
           IF: eno1 state: down mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Intel I210 Gigabit Network Connection
           driver: igb v: 5.4.0-k port: b000 bus-ID: 07:00.0
           IF: enp7s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 11690.3GB (26.6% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_MZ7WD960 size: 960.2GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: SAMSUNG_MZ7WD960 size: 960.2GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 256.1GB
           ID-4: /dev/sdd model: WDC_WD5001FZWX size: 5001.0GB
           ID-5: /dev/sde model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 512.1GB
           ID-6: /dev/sdf model: ST4000DM000 size: 4000.8GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 29G used: 11G (36%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sdc2
           ID-2: /home size: 205G used: 77G (38%) fs: btrfs dev: /dev/sdc3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.83GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 48.0C mobo: N/A gpu: 43.0,50.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 395 Uptime: 1 day Memory: 7041.5/32071.6MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.461) inxi: 2.2.35



It's a mid-high end system right now, but it works for what I am doing. I am planning to upgrade the 2 GPUs when AMD Vega comes out (will likely wait for the MSI Lightning Vega custom PCBs), and possibly the RAM at a later date.


I think that there are quite a few active system builders on the OCN forums.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby earthlingkc » Sat Jan 21, 2017 8:25 pm

I used to build my own desktops but not a gamer anymore, outside light mobile gaming. Have been pure laptop user for many years. All of them on Linux as primary boot and Windows as a VM or secondary boot, which I rarely need.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby mike acker » Sun Jan 22, 2017 8:38 am

hawkeye315 wrote:I seems like most people I see on this forum, myself included, have minty laptops, but I rarely see anyone with a desktop signature or talking about building their own PC with mint.
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one thing that I think affects this is that the hardware platform has "matured". Once you have a 4-core CPU and 16GB ram your system just kinda perks along..... the machine that I use every morning..... I built in Oct. of 2012 ( System 1 -- CBLO ) . the PC makers are all crying in their beer because of slow sales but I think this is mainly due to the mature market more so than a slow-down in the use of desktop workstations.

i might upgrade this box to RYZEN later this year when the chips and MoBo are available -- not because it needs an upgrade -- moreso just a fun project

there's nothing to it -- just watch that your components are compatible..... the last 2 builds i did are on AMD A-Series CPUs..... these have graphics (RADEON) integrated into the CPU -- thus an expensive graphics/gamers card is not needed. of course if your main purpose is to play world of witchcraft then you probably start by shopping for a graphics card....... and looking for a gamers/build blog. i bet if you google for building a gamers pc you'll find those guys on the first try

after all, for the real gamesters you are going to want a 60" UHD screen and a megawatt surround sound HDMI amp with 8-channel sound!
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Citizen229 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:45 pm

mike acker wrote:
hawkeye315 wrote:I seems like most people I see on this forum, myself included, have minty laptops, but I rarely see anyone with a desktop signature or talking about building their own PC with mint.
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one thing that I think affects this is that the hardware platform has "matured". Once you have a 4-core CPU and 16GB ram your system just kinda perks along..... the machine that I use every morning..... I built in Oct. of 2012 ( System 1 -- CBLO ) . the PC makers are all crying in their beer because of slow sales but I think this is mainly due to the mature market more so than a slow-down in the use of desktop workstations.

i might upgrade this box to RYZEN later this year when the chips and MoBo are available -- not because it needs an upgrade -- moreso just a fun project

there's nothing to it -- just watch that your components are compatible..... the last 2 builds i did are on AMD A-Series CPUs..... these have graphics (RADEON) integrated into the CPU -- thus an expensive graphics/gamers card is not needed. of course if your main purpose is to play world of witchcraft then you probably start by shopping for a graphics card....... and looking for a gamers/build blog. i bet if you google for building a gamers pc you'll find those guys on the first try

after all, for the real gamesters you are going to want a 60" UHD screen and a megawatt surround sound HDMI amp with 8-channel sound!


The pc market is slow because of lack of competition and lack of innovation. The 10nm structure is about as small as they can get. They are bordering on crossing over into quantum territory if they get much smaller, so innovation ( with current architecture) has a limit. Multicore CPU's have been out for what almost a decade? And still the average program STiLL cannot utilize a multicore cpu properly. The average PC with a dual core and lots of ram can browse facebook as well as a quad core/octocore. Which is what the majority of people do. Gaming, compiling, editing, and encoding are not done by the average user.

Ryzen has appeal. AMD is dropping the ball by not going quad channel dimm. It is a feature that appeals to gamers even though Ram has little to do with it. None the less they will still sell those chips really well. Best to wait untill the end of Q2 if they launch in Q1 as expected. Give them time to get bios revisions out and drivers worked out. I want to build a ddr4/apu/M,2 myself for a media center. Plus that 3 months with intel actually having competition, the prices will most likely begin to drop on intel cpus atleast. You may find intel at a good price point by then. Trust me I am an AMD fan all the way, but the best CPU I ever owned was a Q9550. There is room for compromise.

Pc's generally do not need a low resource OS. Laptops do. They tend to be limited on RAM and compounded by sharing that ram with their APU/i3. This is why you will see more laptops talked about. With new intel boards with 8 dimms and 4 lanes for quad channel ddr4 with 128 gig limit, OS's will not have to scale back on resources anytime soon. Windows will continue to be a bloated barge. Hardware has been so far ahead for so long, that you need software to be able to see the difference on average tasks.the hardware is not really needed. Like for myself as not a serious gamer a quad core with 16 gigs of ram is all I will ever need. If a game comes out that will be worth a crap, then I may need to buy a stand alone GPU. At the same time I have never bought the top end GPU as well as never bought the sli gimick.

The one Niche area I see growing is the micro computing genre. this is a good niche for linux. with all of my data on an external 4bay hub technically I could get by with a ras pi 3 as a media center. A bit slow for my tastes but pi 4 in the future may change that. Pi's, firesticks and low consumption Matx/embedded builds seem to be selling decently. Which once again fits the needs of the average user, which is the majority.
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby NoWinBob » Thu Jan 26, 2017 8:24 pm

I admit I still prefer Ubuntu 16.04 on my desktop,but so far(a few days now),I am mostly happy with Mint Mate 16.04 on my laptop,even though it is not quite as stable as Ubuntu.Maybe after I mess with it for a while I will either break it or figure it all out.(any excuse to do a clean install)

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby lmuserx4849 » Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:33 am

hawkeye315 wrote:I seems like most people I see on this forum, myself included, have minty laptops, but I rarely see anyone with a desktop signature or talking about building their own PC with mint.

I love to build computers in my spare time.
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Is there a real reason that most people put mint on their laptops?
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Apparently it was appointed one of the best desktop distros of Linux by a few different sites.
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I have both, but prefer desktops. I use to build desktops. It was very educational and fun :-) I'd go to the store and pickup the Computer Shopper. It was an oversized computer parts catalog, weighing 5 lbs, two-inches thick :-). I enjoyed flipping through the pages, reading, comparing, and putting my list together. The book "Upgrading and Repairing PCs" was helpful. I bought tech manuals on the current system architecture (isa,eisa,pci,80486,pentium), so I could understand minute details. I ran 0S2. I studied Minix, but installed Slackware. The only doc available was Matt Welsh's, "Linux Installation". There were stores like: Heathkit, Radio Shack, CompUSA that were geared to electronics and DIY.

Integrated circuits really changed the environment.

Nowadays I'll buy parts as needed, but it is cheaper to have someone else build it. We have a nice regional tech shop. I'll do my homework, tell them what I need, and they build and test it. It saves time. If there is a problem, I don't have to get a RA number, send it back, and all that. Plus they have experience with Linux so they know about compatibility. I don't scratch my knuckles anymore or bend pins :-)

If you want to get into the nitty-gritty of building software, there is Linux from Scratch. I believe it is meant to be more educational, than functional (i.e., your main system).

You could have Linux Mint as your main working system, and then install other distro's in virtual machines (i.e., KVM/QEMU with libvirt). You might be interested in http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/, http://www.tomshardware.com/, and http://distrowatch.com/. You won't go wrong with Linux Mint as your main system.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby CrazyElf » Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:22 pm

A lot of it will depend on how fast or slow Ryzen is.

I suspect that we are looking at performance comparable to Sandy Bridge, which if aggressively priced is not a bad value at all.






Citizen229 wrote:
The pc market is slow because of lack of competition and lack of innovation. The 10nm structure is about as small as they can get. They are bordering on crossing over into quantum territory if they get much smaller, so innovation ( with current architecture) has a limit. Multicore CPU's have been out for what almost a decade? And still the average program STiLL cannot utilize a multicore cpu properly. The average PC with a dual core and lots of ram can browse facebook as well as a quad core/octocore. Which is what the majority of people do. Gaming, compiling, editing, and encoding are not done by the average user.

Ryzen has appeal. AMD is dropping the ball by not going quad channel dimm. It is a feature that appeals to gamers even though Ram has little to do with it. None the less they will still sell those chips really well. Best to wait untill the end of Q2 if they launch in Q1 as expected. Give them time to get bios revisions out and drivers worked out. I want to build a ddr4/apu/M,2 myself for a media center. Plus that 3 months with intel actually having competition, the prices will most likely begin to drop on intel cpus atleast. You may find intel at a good price point by then. Trust me I am an AMD fan all the way, but the best CPU I ever owned was a Q9550. There is room for compromise.

Pc's generally do not need a low resource OS. Laptops do. They tend to be limited on RAM and compounded by sharing that ram with their APU/i3. This is why you will see more laptops talked about. With new intel boards with 8 dimms and 4 lanes for quad channel ddr4 with 128 gig limit, OS's will not have to scale back on resources anytime soon. Windows will continue to be a bloated barge. Hardware has been so far ahead for so long, that you need software to be able to see the difference on average tasks.the hardware is not really needed. Like for myself as not a serious gamer a quad core with 16 gigs of ram is all I will ever need. If a game comes out that will be worth a crap, then I may need to buy a stand alone GPU. At the same time I have never bought the top end GPU as well as never bought the sli gimick.

The one Niche area I see growing is the micro computing genre. this is a good niche for linux. with all of my data on an external 4bay hub technically I could get by with a ras pi 3 as a media center. A bit slow for my tastes but pi 4 in the future may change that. Pi's, firesticks and low consumption Matx/embedded builds seem to be selling decently. Which once again fits the needs of the average user, which is the majority.




I agree that CPUs have stagnated.

GPUs still are getting better though and in many regards, it is worth an upgrade. We have seen decent gains with each generation still.

I suppose the only other thing that is cool is the proliferation of NVMe SSDs, although end users won't see as much benefit because the bottleneck becomes the access speed of NAND rather than the AHCI or NVMe interface.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Arch_Enemy » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:28 pm

CrazyElf wrote:A lot of it will depend on how fast or slow Ryzen is.

I suspect that we are looking at performance comparable to Sandy Bridge, which if aggressively priced is not a bad value at all.






Citizen229 wrote:
The pc market is slow because of lack of competition and lack of innovation. The 10nm structure is about as small as they can get. They are bordering on crossing over into quantum territory if they get much smaller, so innovation ( with current architecture) has a limit. Multicore CPU's have been out for what almost a decade? And still the average program STiLL cannot utilize a multicore cpu properly. The average PC with a dual core and lots of ram can browse facebook as well as a quad core/octocore. Which is what the majority of people do. Gaming, compiling, editing, and encoding are not done by the average user.

Ryzen has appeal. AMD is dropping the ball by not going quad channel dimm. It is a feature that appeals to gamers even though Ram has little to do with it. None the less they will still sell those chips really well. Best to wait untill the end of Q2 if they launch in Q1 as expected. Give them time to get bios revisions out and drivers worked out. I want to build a ddr4/apu/M,2 myself for a media center. Plus that 3 months with intel actually having competition, the prices will most likely begin to drop on intel cpus atleast. You may find intel at a good price point by then. Trust me I am an AMD fan all the way, but the best CPU I ever owned was a Q9550. There is room for compromise.

Pc's generally do not need a low resource OS. Laptops do. They tend to be limited on RAM and compounded by sharing that ram with their APU/i3. This is why you will see more laptops talked about. With new intel boards with 8 dimms and 4 lanes for quad channel ddr4 with 128 gig limit, OS's will not have to scale back on resources anytime soon. Windows will continue to be a bloated barge. Hardware has been so far ahead for so long, that you need software to be able to see the difference on average tasks.the hardware is not really needed. Like for myself as not a serious gamer a quad core with 16 gigs of ram is all I will ever need. If a game comes out that will be worth a crap, then I may need to buy a stand alone GPU. At the same time I have never bought the top end GPU as well as never bought the sli gimick.

The one Niche area I see growing is the micro computing genre. this is a good niche for linux. with all of my data on an external 4bay hub technically I could get by with a ras pi 3 as a media center. A bit slow for my tastes but pi 4 in the future may change that. Pi's, firesticks and low consumption Matx/embedded builds seem to be selling decently. Which once again fits the needs of the average user, which is the majority.




I agree that CPUs have stagnated.

GPUs still are getting better though and in many regards, it is worth an upgrade. We have seen decent gains with each generation still.

I suppose the only other thing that is cool is the proliferation of NVMe SSDs, although end users won't see as much benefit because the bottleneck becomes the access speed of NAND rather than the AHCI or NVMe interface.


I think the next jump in CPUs is going to be a quantum leap, but it's going to take a while. They've pretty much reached the end of traditional processors and something new will have to be developed. I think it will also signal the end of the IBM/X86 world as we know it, and all we know will have to be abandoned in order to progress.
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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby CrazyElf » Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:12 pm

Yep.

Perhaps we will see the deployment of exotic materials. I don't really know at this point.

AMD's Ryzen just came out and there should be more competition in the CPU sector for sure now.

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby vladtepes » Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:05 am

I also prefer desktops.
I recently built one from scratch - proved to be much easier than I had feared. YouTube is your friend.
Watch heaps of videos and you will soon pick the wheat from the chaff.
Also have a look on computer forums - most have good info.

If I were to build a "Mint" system I'd do a mini-ITX build, to physically reflect the "small footprint' of mint as opposed to Window$

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby Arch_Enemy » Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:57 am

vladtepes wrote:I also prefer desktops.
I recently built one from scratch - proved to be much easier than I had feared. YouTube is your friend.
Watch heaps of videos and you will soon pick the wheat from the chaff.
Also have a look on computer forums - most have good info.

If I were to build a "Mint" system I'd do a mini-ITX build, to physically reflect the "small footprint' of mint as opposed to Window$

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I had my daughter build her own when she was 12...:D

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Re: I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!

Postby vladtepes » Wed Sep 13, 2017 8:32 am

I never see anyone talking about building Mint desktops!


I'm going to build a Mint desktop.

(with old hardware - prob about 5 years old or so I think)

Wish I hadn't sold the graphics card I used to have :(
Now I have to figure out what (cheap) PCI-E card I can get away with / need.
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