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Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Hello,

I'm running an AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ / 3.0GB DDR2 ram / NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] integrated graphics adapter.
What advantage will LM 18 64bit offer over LM 18 32bit other than being able to use more ram which in this case isn't going to matter.

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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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More software: 32-bit is dying....

A good example is Google Chrome, which is only available in a 64-bit edition nowadays. But Chrome isn't the only example of software that no longer has a 32-bit edition. Some big Linux distro's have already completely dropped 32-bit support (openSUSE, for instance).

32-bit is going the way of the floppy disk, the steam engine and the dodo....
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Hey Pjotr,

Will this particular system with only 3.0GB ram and integrated graphics be enough to run LM 18 Mate 64bit?
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I have an old pc with an athlon 64x2 4200 (Igpu, 2GB RAM) running LM 13 Xfce. Working just fine, 32bit is less demanding for old hardware with limited amount of RAM.
About the browser, Firefox has 32bit.
Active Distros in my computers: LM19.3 (Mate,Xfce); MXLinux (Xfce); SparkyLinux (Xfce); Manjaro (Xfce)
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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The Old Timer wrote:Hey Pjotr,

Will this particular system with only 3.0GB ram and integrated graphics be enough to run LM 18 Mate 64bit?
You bet. Like greased lightning.
Well, just as fast as your current 32-bit system, anyway. :mrgreen:

Your video chipset is the bottleneck. So I advise to disable all visual effects in Mate:
https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ts-in-Mate
(item 6.2, right column)

It wouldn't hurt to apply some of the other speed tweaks on that page, as well....
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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I'm going to give LM 18 xfce 64bit a try as I've read good things about it.

Will let you know how it goes.

Thanks for the info.

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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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You did not say, what you are using at now.

If you have Mint 18 32 bit and not interested on a particular program like Chrome, there is no need to install the system new just for going to 64 bit. If you have something else and want to install new with Mint 18, you should consider the 64 bit version.
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I have and ASUS 1015E running 64 bit Mint 18 KDE with no problems.
https://www.asus.com/us/Notebooks/1015E/
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Cosmo. wrote:You did not say, what you are using at now.

If you have Mint 18 32 bit and not interested on a particular program like Chrome, there is no need to install the system new just for going to 64 bit. If you have something else and want to install new with Mint 18, you should consider the 64 bit version.
I haven't installed anything yet which is why I thought I would check first.
As for Google Chrome I will not use it as I just don't care for it.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Well installed LM 18 Xfce 64bit and all is good except no matter how I set the settings in screen saver and / or power management the monitor never turns off. :?
I have experienced this problem with other Linux distros when using Xfce and never could get it solved.
Any way I will keep working with it and if no results then will scrub it for a different Linux distro.

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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Speed advantages in 64 bit Linux are generally minimal and often non-existent as it is rare for an application to need to process data beyond 32 bits. Counting to 4 million covers most bases.

But there are exceptions.

Some specialist scientific processing benefits dramatically from 64 bit code. So if you are running serious astronomy or physics apps 64 bits is well worth it.

The other major gain is from video and audio encoding and decoding which gets a boost - something like 20% speed increase which can be worth it with things like video editing or media conversion.

Downside: apps take up more RAM but not that significantly.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Hey Jedinovice,

My computer needs are very minimal basic web surfing and youtube streaming so I haven't noticed any speed increase.
I don't know if this particular desktop likes 64 bit, some things I'm finding aren't working right. :(
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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The Old Timer wrote:Hey Jedinovice,

My computer needs are very minimal basic web surfing and youtube streaming so I haven't noticed any speed increase.
I don't know if this particular desktop likes 64 bit, some things I'm finding aren't working right. :(
Depending on the nature of the machine you might trouble with 64 bit operation because parts of the chipset are 32 bit. When the Atom processors went to 64bit Intel were very careful about stating that a 64 bit OS would only run on Atom machines that had a full 64 bit chips set. Your processor might be 64 bit but bits of your motherboard may not be hence problems. Of course, it depends on the technology used.

I don't know any details beyond that though.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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I did a quick lookup on the chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athlon_64_X2.
I assume it's the 2006 one.

Normally I'd choose a 64 bit OS for a 64 bit chip.

For that chip, tho, I believe at the time the linux distros were called EM64T not x86_64, which are different. Not sure if it makes a real difference?

Bottom line, I'd go 32 bit.

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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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This household has 3 PCs with the same exact spec you have, dual cores, 3gb ram. One originally had 2gb and I added 1gb. Years ago they were all running on 32 bit OS (Windows XP and Vista), but since I found that they were 64bit-capable, I decided to install 64bit for no other reason than to keep up with the times. There was no significant difference in speed, so I saw no point in staying with 32bit when most apps are going in the 64bit direction.

BTW, I'm using Mint 18 Xfce 64bit 90% of the time. It's dual-booted with KDE Mint 18. A newer PC, 3yrs newer, is multi-booted with Windows 10 and Mint 18 KDE.

I have been finding Xfce to be simple to customize, which include the paneling system. It's easy to add, move and remove icons on panels. Adding another panel on the side, resize it, and auto-hide it is also simplified. Xfce is also pleasing to the eye, imho. It doesn't have a lot of wasted space; its start menu being standard is compact-looking. I see no flaws in it, except maybe missing some advanced options in its native file manager. Perhaps the devs should add some Dolphin features in it like more icons on the toolbar; move and copy distinctly separated, ie, adding modifiers like alt, ctrl, or shift when moving instead of the confusing RMB, which conflicts with the context menu. Or maybe some XP file manager feel, etc. But I have simple needs.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Jedinovice wrote: (Edited quote)
trouble with 64 bit operation / because parts of the chipset are 32 bit.
Your processor might be 64 bit but bits of your motherboard may not be hence problems.
This desktop originally came with Vista 32bit and a Amd Sempron single core processor so what you are saying may very well be the problem.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Someone explain this I installed LM 18 Mate 64 bit and also installed Ubuntu Mate 16.04 64 bit on this same desktop and both of them work flawlessly.
I have never had any good luck with any Linux distro using Xfce 32 bit or 64 bit.
I'll stick with one of these two that work.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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The Old Timer wrote:Well installed LM 18 Xfce 64bit and all is good except no matter how I set the settings in screen saver and / or power management the monitor never turns off. :?
I'm not a Linux expert by any means, but if the Suspend button doesn't give you any results, then no matter what you set in the Power Management settings won't do anything.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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The Old Timer wrote:Someone explain this I installed LM 18 Mate 64 bit and also installed Ubuntu Mate 16.04 64 bit on this same desktop and both of them work flawlessly.
I have never had any good luck with any Linux distro using Xfce 32 bit or 64 bit.
I'll stick with one of these two that work.
Makes sense to me!
I also understand, from reading other peoples comments, that Mate is a bit faster than Xfce these days.

Odd that Xfce should cause such grief but such is life.
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Re: Advantages (32bit vs 64bit) Linux Mint 18

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Jedinovice wrote:Speed advantages in 64 bit Linux are generally minimal and often non-existent as it is rare for an application to need to process data beyond 32 bits. Counting to 4 million covers most bases.
http://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?thr ... stid=76973
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