I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Spearmint2 » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:36 am

The only time I had to compile a kernel was for installing a new driver in the system.
I tried it once, but after 30 minutes of yes/no questions and realizing there were some asked I had little idea what it was about or affected, I just quit it before finishing. Decided I could live with precompiled kernels and use modprobe, rmmod, modinfo, and lsmod along with grep at times and be quite happy.
All things go better with Mint. Mint julep, mint jelly, mint gum, candy mints, pillow mints, peppermint, chocolate mints, spearmint,....

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by catweazel » Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:37 am

Spearmint2 wrote:
The only time I had to compile a kernel was for installing a new driver in the system.
I tried it once, but after 30 minutes of yes/no questions and realizing there were some asked I had little idea what it was about or affected, I just quit it before finishing.
Those days are long gone.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Lucap » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:14 am

coffee412 wrote:I will say with some truth that there are those that do not want to learn and want everything handed to them.
What a load of old judgemental condescending **** :D

That's like suggesting that people who are learning a new foreign language are intellectually lazy because they can't read or understand foreign literature and just need to make more of an effort to stare at it longer , Linux is worse than learning a new foreign language as it's made up Technobabble.

Confusion is not laziness , it's just bloody confusion as everyone has different mental and physical capabilities and sadly in some cases disabilities, none of which you can tell from sitting behind your keyboard.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Moem » Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:35 am

Lucap wrote:Confusion is not laziness , it's just bloody confusion as everyone has different mental and physical capabilities and sadly in some cases disabilities, none of which you can tell from sitting behind your keyboard.
That's true, but it's also true that there are people who are curious and want to learn, and others who aren't and don't. On this forum, you can often tell the difference.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by MintBean » Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:44 am

+1 what Moem said.

Back on topic, the FUD arises from a mixture of sources. I do believe at the core there is a small group of malicious individuals intentionally spreading disinformation and attempting to defame Mint. I believe there was one high profile Debian developer in particular who IIRC had an axe to grind against Mint, seemingly because it was so successful and he believed Clement should be developing for Debian rather than "taking all the credit."

Then of course there are the misinformed, the panic prone and the so called 'useful idiots' who spread the FUD with no malevolent intention.

If you look back at the incident where Mint ISO downloads were compromised, it's hard to come away with any other impression than that the hackers primary motivation was to sully Mint's reputation.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Sir Charles » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:04 am

MintBean wrote: I do believe at the core there is a small group of malicious individuals intentionally spreading disinformation and attempting to defame Mint.
That sounds quite counterintuitive. I thought and I think that much of the attraction of Linux is it's spirit of openness and it's embracing of the diversity. Therefore I cannot understand why a group of people might want to defame one or other distribution. In my opinion no one distribution is perfect. All distributions are work in progress and have their strong and weak points and therefore the idea of an omnipotent, omniscient distribution is alien to me. I sense sometimes an attitude akin to religious fanaticism towards one's own favorite distribution on the part of some users reflected in their attitude towards other users with other preferences. That's to me contrary to the whole idea and philosophy of Linux, which stripped down can be expressed as: Treat all users with respect.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Moem » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:14 am

MintBean wrote:If you look back at the incident where Mint ISO downloads were compromised, it's hard to come away with any other impression than that the hackers primary motivation was to sully Mint's reputation.
I don't find it hard at all. Most crackers want, for fun and profit, to enter systems that belong to other people; in this case, they wanted to do that by making people install an OS with a built in back door. They would probably have been perfectly happy if no one had ever found out, Mint's reputation remained intact, and they could have exploited that back door to their hearts' desire.

It's most likely all about money. As so often.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by MintBean » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:52 am

Moem wrote:It's most likely all about money. As so often.
Usually I would agree, but most hackers don't give interviews afterwards.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by 900i » Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:40 pm

This is my 12th year on Mint and I can't see any reason to change.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Sir Charles » Sun Jan 14, 2018 1:18 pm

900i wrote:This is my 12th year on Mint and I can't see any reason to change.
Haven't you been reading the posts on what havoc has been wreaking on peoples machines after the recent updates?
:lol:
Just kidding!
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Bolle1961 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 4:17 pm

Arch_Enemy wrote: I did get a kick out of one guy's tagline, however: "Ubuntu:Old African word for 'too lazy to run slackware'" :D
Or : "Ubuntu : I'm to dumb to install Debian"
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by shevegen » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:12 pm

> Or : "Ubuntu : I'm to dumb to install Debian"

Now what distribution does linux mint run on again ...

Anyway, to the topic - I don't really see much misinformation, despite being
active on reddit. Perhaps we just don't frequent the same areas.

IMO mint and ubuntu are in VERY similar niches. Too similar to really call
one or the other that much different either way. I can't say that I use debian
after the systemd-move. I went back to the oldschool days of Linux. For
any automated task, I'll just use ruby.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by czeekaj » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:08 am

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Problem for me is how much it does. It's going to make dependency problems. I dunno but I don't like the idea of an init doing bunch of system stuff outside of boot. It should be like grub :) I still not sure what masking is but some you can't disable through it, it kinda feels like you have to go around it if you want full control of the system.
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by tinca » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:26 am

This propensity to get annoyed by what people say, seems to be driven by social media, where everybody is upset by something all of the time. It soon turns into a mob mentality where idiots lead the way. What happened to free thought and speech.

Why on earth would you get upset or annoyed by someone saying that Mint was crap. If you use Mint then you know that it is not true. I have used Mint for years and love it. I could not care less what other people think or say. Make your own mind up and do not let the hounds from hell get to you. It is mass hysteria and easy to get yourself involved.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Rayser » Mon Jan 15, 2018 7:54 am

Linux Mint, of course, serves the purpose of being easy to new users.

But it's good for advanced users too.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by sammiev » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:21 am

I play with a lot of different Linux dist.

LinuxMint is usually bug free with the friendliness folks to help.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Royal-Mint » Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:36 pm

Seriously, these FUDs are paper weight.
Never believe those never use Mint say anything.

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Arch_Enemy » Thu Jan 18, 2018 8:23 pm

sammiev wrote:I play with a lot of different Linux dist.

LinuxMint is usually bug free with the friendliness folks to help.
Hmmm....I still feel the draw of Arch occasionally...

I wonder just how much of a Glutton for Punishment I really am...

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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by karlchen » Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:10 pm

Interesting to have a FUD sample inside a thread against FUD. :?
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Re: I'm sick of FUD and misinformation regarding Linux Mint

Post by Arch_Enemy » Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:47 pm

karlchen wrote:Interesting to have a FUD sample inside a thread against FUD. :?
Make a comment about a PKGBUILD on the Arch forum and see how fast it bites you in the :shock:ss
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