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Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by MintBean » Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 pm

What do you guys make of this? Seems quite determined to put a negative spin on Mint despite a great release with Cinnamon.
https://betanews.com/2018/05/03/cinnamon-linux-mint/

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by Pjotr » Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 pm

Not really negative, but the author complains unnecessarily that he has to wait a bit (a mere two or three weeks before the bèta of Mint 19 Cinnamon will become available). :mrgreen:
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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by AZgl1500 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:55 pm

I don't like reading that guy, he almost never has anything good to say.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by sdibaja » Thu May 03, 2018 10:17 pm

I agree, it is very odd to have other distros do the Alpha testing.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by lsemmens » Fri May 04, 2018 1:02 am

This is very frustrating for Linux Mint users,
I'm not frustrated, anyone here frustrated? .......... I thought not.
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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by JosephM » Fri May 04, 2018 3:21 am

Considering that Cinnamon 3.8 isn't even officially released yet, I really don't care much what he has to say.

This comes down to the way it's packaged in Arch. This happens with them in almost every release. The Mint team doesn't control that but we've recently set up a way to have a direct line with these maintainers so hopefully we can mitigate some of this going forward.
When I give opinions, they are my own. Not necessarily those of any other Linux Mint developer or the Linux Mint project as a whole.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by Cosmo. » Fri May 04, 2018 6:02 am

What now? Is Cinnamon 3.8 officially released or not? I read above - dated from 4th May - it is not, but already 2 days ago (2nd May) Clem said expressively at the very top
Mint Blog wrote:Cinnamon 3.8 is now officially out.
I always thought, that "released" and "out" would be in this context the same. :roll:

What I understand out of the given information is this: Cinnamon 3.8 does exist, but not yet as binaries, but only as source code. It has a number of dependencies which do not allow it to run on any Ubuntu 16.04 system. It can be compiled and run on Ubuntu 18.04 (as Clem said in a comment). That is the consequence, that we get a major version change on the upstream base.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by sdibaja » Fri May 04, 2018 9:22 am

there is some activity over at github
https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/issues
https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/t ... ter/debian read the README.Debian file

3.8 is still not in the Buster or Sid repos

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by lmuserx4849 » Fri May 04, 2018 3:59 pm

MintBean wrote:
Thu May 03, 2018 6:10 pm
What do you guys make of this? Seems quite determined to put a negative spin on Mint despite a great release with Cinnamon.
https://betanews.com/2018/05/03/cinnamon-linux-mint/
The more people talk about Mint, the more popular it becomes. LM has given users what they want, and they stick to it. Popular things get talked about. There is no shortage of articles that say, do we need it. I've tried Debian and Ubuntu and still prefer Mint. This article was just saying that Cinnamon is associated with Mint, but Mint distribution users can't use it.
A rhetorical question: Is Mint a distribution or a desktop, or are distributions becoming tied into a desktop (thanks systemd :-()

Some folks went with LMDE because it was a rolling release, but as soon as they did it stopped being a rolling release. They also use MATE, but it looks like that isn't an option if they stay with LMDE 3. It's hard to believe something would happen to Ubuntu, thus why use the resourses to maintain LMDE. HHHHhhhhmmmm....

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3557#comment-140989:
As it now stands, this new, snappier Cinnamon 3.8 will be available in both 32- and 64-bit versions for LM 19 and LMDE 3, and it will be the ONLY desktop environment available for LMDE 3, regardless, when it is released later this year. Here are my questions:
https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3418:
It is important for Linux Mint to continue to support LMDE as a fallback option in case Ubuntu ever disappeared and as a development target for the many projects and technologies we work on to...

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by trytip » Fri May 04, 2018 4:19 pm

Cinnamon no longer sets QT environment variables (distributions are responsible for making QT5 applications look good out of the box)
i don't like this statement, it is the same thing Gnome is doing to it's desktop. i have a mix of Mate.Kde.Gnome applications and it would be ridiculous to install every desktops control center just to apply a consistent theme across all applications

that said, the article in question is not really an article but more of a quick vague opinion with very little relevance
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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by Moem » Fri May 04, 2018 6:26 pm

trytip wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 4:19 pm
the article in question is not really an article but more of a quick vague opinion with very little relevance
Quoted for truth. It's a hot take and nothing more.
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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by Hoser Rob » Sat May 05, 2018 11:54 am

It's not a poor article. All he's saying is that Mint users are going to be frustrated by the lack of support (yet) for this release. That idea seems to be supported from reading this forum. Mint has a conservative release and update policy, which is the main reason I'm still using it. Beginners, who are probably Mint's biggest audience AFAIK, don't seem to like that policy.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by JosephM » Sat May 05, 2018 12:24 pm

Hoser Rob wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 11:54 am
It's not a poor article. All he's saying is that Mint users are going to be frustrated by the lack of support (yet) for this release. That idea seems to be supported from reading this forum. Mint has a conservative release and update policy, which is the main reason I'm still using it. Beginners, who are probably Mint's biggest audience AFAIK, don't seem to like that policy.
In this case though, it has nothing to do with a conservative policy. Cinnamon 3.8 is built with the new base of Mint19 in mind. That brings major changes to some libraries that Cinnamon uses. 3.8 simply won't build and run Mint18.x.
When I give opinions, they are my own. Not necessarily those of any other Linux Mint developer or the Linux Mint project as a whole.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by AZgl1500 » Sat May 05, 2018 2:17 pm

Hoser Rob wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 11:54 am
It's not a poor article. All he's saying is that Mint users are going to be frustrated by the lack of support (yet) for this release. That idea seems to be supported from reading this forum. Mint has a conservative release and update policy, which is the main reason I'm still using it. Beginners, who are probably Mint's biggest audience AFAIK, don't seem to like that policy.
As an 'almost new' Linux user, the Solid Performing, and reliability of Mint Cinnamon is the exact reason why I chose this version of Linux...... I want it to be rock solid, and not have to be trying to figure out why something is broken again.

The author of that 'blog', it is not an article by any means.... missed the whole point of Linux Mint Cinnamon

Even when I was using Windows full time, I never, ever, allowed the MS Security Updates to be applied until after they had run their course, and that was usually 60 days... that has saved me a lot of heart ache over the years.

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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by InkKnife » Sat Jun 02, 2018 10:59 pm

Well, Mint is not intended for people who are impatient. I like that 3.8 will have been out awhile before Mint gets it, Cinnomon will have all the new bugs squashed by then.
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Re: Poor Cinnamon 3.8 article

Post by acerimusdux » Sun Jun 03, 2018 2:43 am

Yes, it's a silly take. First, Mint was around, and was plenty successful, even before Cinnamon existed. So no, Cinnamon is not the reason Mint exists.

Second, what does he want, for them to hold Cinnamon up for a month, even though it's ready? That would prevent lots of bugs from being quashed, as well. If there are Ubuntu users compiling and running Cinnamon, testing it out, they are only helping make the next Mint release better.

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