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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by rado84 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:46 am

whm1974 wrote:
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Indeed and I don't think that Mint is even close to being digital tyrannical at all. It pays to read the release notes and known issues before doing an in place upgrade to a new release.
Tell that to the backdoor devs of Mint. An 18.3 system which used to work quite fine 2 weeks ago now updates on its own in /silent mode without asking me whether I want that update or not, despite I had it set to only show all available but without anything being selected (checked), so I can do that manually. And I can't even revert it to 4.13 kernel because somehow it misteriously disappeared after 4.15 was silently downloaded.
Since I already tried all debian based distros and they all behave exactly like the last few days Mint (some even used a lot of Mint software), looks like it's time to learn to install Arch Linux or anything else that doesn't use Mint repoes and software.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:53 am

Off you go then, the less time you spend ranting here, the more time you have to code your own OS.
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:56 am

rado84 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:46 am
An 18.3 system which used to work quite fine 2 weeks ago now updates on its own in /silent mode without asking me whether I want that update or not, despite I had it set to only show all available but without anything being selected (checked),
You might be making a mistake. Kernel updates and security updates are a different category in Update Manager, and have their own checkboxes in the Preferences:
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by smurphos » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:29 am

rado84 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:46 am
whm1974 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:57 pm
Indeed and I don't think that Mint is even close to being digital tyrannical at all. It pays to read the release notes and known issues before doing an in place upgrade to a new release.
Tell that to the backdoor devs of Mint. An 18.3 system which used to work quite fine 2 weeks ago now updates on its own in /silent mode without asking me whether I want that update or not, despite I had it set to only show all available but without anything being selected (checked), so I can do that manually. And I can't even revert it to 4.13 kernel because somehow it misteriously disappeared after 4.15 was silently downloaded.
Since I already tried all debian based distros and they all behave exactly like the last few days Mint (some even used a lot of Mint software), looks like it's time to learn to install Arch Linux or anything else that doesn't use Mint repoes and software.
@rado84 - with all due respect you've likely borked something your end with the 18.3 install. 4.13.x is still the default kernel series in 18.3 with all updates installed.

With the 19 install and the emergency mode issue, I strongly doubt it's anything to do with microcode. My first point of call would be to check for an incorrect fstab entry, and if I was going to make a wild guess given a couple of c***ups I made on restoring old settings whilst playing with the beta and dual booting with Manjaro that put me into emergency mode I'd suspect something to do with swap as 19 uses a SWAP file by default rather than a partition.

If you log in in emergency mode and post the output of sudo blkid && cat /etc/fstab someone might be able to help.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by 7im4pple » Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:07 am

Didn't Mint used to get yelled at for not pushing updates..lol

And why on gods green earth do you not want the fixes to these flaws in the processors?
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by smgordon1259 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 12:35 pm

Pathetic, he refuses to acknowledge that the kernel is in his control. No one forced you to get the new kernel. Try reading the updates before install, this will help alleviate your frustration and false finger pointing in the future.

As stated above boot to grub and select the Kernel version that worked for you. You have no one else to blame but yourself or just go back to Windows is you so wish.

Check this out : go to Update manager, Preferences, then click the AUTO-UPDATE tab. There should be a box that says APPLY UPDATES AUTOMATICALLY if this box is not checked you are not getting updates automatically
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by Flemur » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:13 pm

rado84 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 am
1. Doesn't allow to deselect intel microcode before clicking "apply updates".
What "doesn't allow"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6s0A7e5hjI
2. After installing the microcode it kept crying about a problem with these thumbnails which I never saw anyway.
What thumbnails?
3. After restart requested by the system in order to fix those thumbnails:
I doubt the kernel goes into "emergency mode" because of thumbnails.
Please edit your original post title to include [SOLVED] if/when it is solved!
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by whm1974 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:21 pm

I just install Mint 19 on my Thinkpad T430 the other day and so far I haven't had any issues with it at all. Of course I did read the release notes before installation to learn what the known issues are. Not to mention that I also was reading the Forum posts as well before that.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by HaveaMint » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:07 pm

OMG! You mean we have to READ! I demand a full refund... :!:
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:48 pm

HaveaMint wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:07 pm
OMG! You mean we have to READ! I demand a full refund... :!:
Don't forget damages for willful infliction of emotional distress. These heartless Mint devs deserve everything they got coming. :lol:

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by whm1974 » Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:19 pm

HaveaMint wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 4:07 pm
OMG! You mean we have to READ! I demand a full refund... :!:
It really is the users fault they refuse to read any of Documentation before doing a major upgrade, especially in place ones. In particular the Release Notes for Known issues.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by JerryF » Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:11 pm

rado84 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 6:50 am
...
This kind of forcing hands was the reason for me migrating to Android and it seems like now it's time to migrate again - from Mint to another less invasive distro! :evil:

Goodbye! :evil:
Bye.
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Sun Jul 01, 2018 4:45 pm
No need to answer here anymore, I'm done with Mint 19! :evil:
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IF your problem has been solved, please edit your original post and add [SOLVED] to the beginning of the Subject Line. It helps other members.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by smurphos » Mon Jul 02, 2018 10:28 pm

smurphos wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 6:29 am
rado84 wrote:
Mon Jul 02, 2018 5:46 am
whm1974 wrote:
Sun Jul 01, 2018 10:57 pm
Indeed and I don't think that Mint is even close to being digital tyrannical at all. It pays to read the release notes and known issues before doing an in place upgrade to a new release.
Tell that to the backdoor devs of Mint. An 18.3 system which used to work quite fine 2 weeks ago now updates on its own in /silent mode without asking me whether I want that update or not, despite I had it set to only show all available but without anything being selected (checked), so I can do that manually. And I can't even revert it to 4.13 kernel because somehow it misteriously disappeared after 4.15 was silently downloaded.
Since I already tried all debian based distros and they all behave exactly like the last few days Mint (some even used a lot of Mint software), looks like it's time to learn to install Arch Linux or anything else that doesn't use Mint repoes and software.
@rado84 - with all due respect you've likely borked something your end with the 18.3 install. 4.13.x is still the default kernel series in 18.3 with all updates installed.

Correction - it appears for 4.15 was promoted to the HWE kernel will the latest security update...apologies @rado84....

With the 19 install and the emergency mode issue, I strongly doubt it's anything to do with microcode. My first point of call would be to check for an incorrect fstab entry, and if I was going to make a wild guess given a couple of c***ups I made on restoring old settings whilst playing with the beta and dual booting with Manjaro that put me into emergency mode I'd suspect something to do with swap as 19 uses a SWAP file by default rather than a partition.

If you log in in emergency mode and post the output of sudo blkid && cat /etc/fstab someone might be able to help.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by BG405 » Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:37 am

From the OP's signature: Windows 7 x64 ... & no mention of Linux :roll: .. for someone who likes to be in control, what happens when support ends?

I might have read it wrong, but it looks like the OP is trying to reinstall stuff backed up from a 16.04 base, on to an 18.04 base.

Why not reinstall the kernel that worked & use that?

Otherwise, good luck with Arch and its "5th update"!
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by rado84 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 am

BG405 wrote:
Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:37 am
From the OP's signature: Windows 7 x64 ... & no mention of Linux :roll: .. for someone who likes to be in control, what happens when support ends?

I might have read it wrong, but it looks like the OP is trying to reinstall stuff backed up from a 16.04 base, on to an 18.04 base.

Why not reinstall the kernel that worked & use that?

Otherwise, good luck with Arch and its "5th update"!
1. I changed the signature to Windows after Mint 19 forced me to install something I don't want.
2. Nothing of the kind. It was a clean install of Mint 19 ISO.
3. 19 seems to install with 4.15 and there is no way to install 4.13.
4. I found a way (finally, after several attempts on a VM) to trick 19 not to install the microcode. For unknown reason right after the welcome screen appears, if the user doesn't take any action the update started automatically in a few minutes. So when the installation was finished, I loaded the boot menu, pulled the LAN cable and booted the HDD with Linux. I did that to prevent it from updating. Then checked every new package carefully and if it contained the words kernel, header and microcode, I put it in the blacklist. Then allowed the update process to continue and now that there is no microcode, there's no black screen or emergency mode and Mint works as it should.
And just because I found a way to disable kernel update, I still don't think it's right to force users to install the microcode. Idk about other people but I for one don't wanna destroy my CPU with microcode. Linux has never needed a CPU microcode for it to run, so to me it's useless plus I read some articles saying the microcode could damage the CPU which is the other reason I don't want it.

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by gm10 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:43 am

rado84 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 am
plus I read some articles saying the microcode could damage the CPU which is the other reason I don't want it.
Spectre bug was created intentionally to make you install microcode to make you destroy your CPU to make you buy a new one. It's all making sense now!

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by whm1974 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:35 am

gm10 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:43 am
rado84 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 am
plus I read some articles saying the microcode could damage the CPU which is the other reason I don't want it.
Spectre bug was created intentionally to make you install microcode to make you destroy your CPU to make you buy a new one. It's all making sense now!

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Yes Really, this is the first time I've heard about installing microcode could damage your CPU. OP, I have news for you, Microsoft also installs new microcode when AMD and Intel releases them as well.

Oh by the way OP, could you show us the articles that told you microcode could damage you CPU?

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by michael louwe » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:42 am

whm1974 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:35 am
gm10 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:43 am
rado84 wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:17 am
plus I read some articles saying the microcode could damage the CPU which is the other reason I don't want it.
Spectre bug was created intentionally to make you install microcode to make you destroy your CPU to make you buy a new one. It's all making sense now!

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Yes Really, this is the first time I've heard about installing microcode could damage your CPU. OP, I have news for you, Microsoft also installs new microcode when AMD and Intel releases them as well.

Oh by the way OP, could you show us the articles that told you microcode could damage you CPU?
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https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/01/1 ... date_woes/ (Red Hat slams into reverse on CPU fix for Spectre design blunder
Microcode mitigations trigger system wobbles, penguinistas warn, By Paul Kunert 18 Jan 2018 at 07:36)

https://www.pcworld.com/article/3248975 ... intel.html (Stop installing our buggy Spectre CPU firmware fixes, Intel says - 22 Jan 2018)

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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by karlchen » Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 am

A) This is old news, superseded by now
B) Intel had revoked its initial intel-microcode patch package. So had Ubuntu. Around June, a bugfixed intel-microcode package had been made available.
C) Where exactly did anyone tell the (buggy first) intel-microcode patch could damage the cpu?
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Re: Mint 19 stable = forcing hands just like Microcrap

Post by whm1974 » Tue Jul 10, 2018 1:07 pm

karlchen wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 11:33 am
A) This is old news, superseded by now
B) Intel had revoked its initial intel-microcode patch package. So had Ubuntu. Around June, a bugfixed intel-microcode package had been made available.
C) Where exactly did anyone tell the (buggy first) intel-microcode patch could damage the cpu?
If I recall didn't the patches only caused slow downs with certain workloads, mostly with servers?

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