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Re: One click or two?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:58 pm
by JerryF
BG405 wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:55 pm

It's become second nature to you and anyone else who uses / prefers it. However, I ask what would happen if you sit a complete novice in front of a computer & see how intuitive "double-click" is then (without explaining it first) .. or someone who started out with & normally uses touch interfaces rather than mouse + KB. Not sure

Also, several people have mentioned one click to highlight, second to open. My question is, once a Desktop icon is highlighted, where's the menu to perform an action? I get that in many of these cases the desired default action is not "Open .." but that only makes sense in a filemanager window where you have action buttons to click on. It still doesn't make sense, at least to me, on the plain Desktop.

At least we all have a choice! :D
One click is intuitive. Yes. But intuitive doesn't mean natural.

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:22 pm
by ud6
BG405 wrote:
Thu Aug 30, 2018 2:55 pm
... My question is, once a Desktop icon is highlighted, where's the menu to perform an action? I get that in many of these cases the desired default action is not "Open .." but that only makes sense in a filemanager window where you have action buttons to click on. It still doesn't make sense, at least to me, on the plain Desktop.
Yup, maybe it is the different use of menus that creates the necessity for 2 clicks. If you select a file and then go to the window menu (copy/move/rename etc) you need 2 clicks, but if you just access the fast menu (right click) you need only 1 click.

I use mate (caja menu) and I realised what I did once I converted to one click is add scripts for move to and copy to which were more useful than the standard caja one (which has limited options). Not giving up my mate DE so those scripts are useful in '1 click environment'.

https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/copy-to ... caja/15156

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 7:34 am
by carum carvi
kenetics wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:44 pm
One click for me. My attention span isn't long enough for 2.
Same here. It prevents RSI problems too. The less I have to click the better...

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:18 am
by russellz
Didn't Microsoft patent double click some years back? I won't use doulbe click as I don't want to pay MS royalties :wink:

Russell

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 am
by carum carvi
russellz wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:18 am
Didn't Microsoft patent double click some years back? I won't use doulbe click as I don't want to pay MS royalties :wink:
Now the heat is on. Russellz that is by far the best and funniest reason to never wanna double click that I have read so far. Hilarious.

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:23 pm
by lsemmens
carum carvi wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:34 am
russellz wrote:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 11:18 am
Didn't Microsoft patent double click some years back? I won't use doulbe click as I don't want to pay MS royalties :wink:
Now the heat is on. Russellz that is by far the best and funniest reason to never wanna double click that I have read so far. Hilarious.
Agreed! :D:D:D

IIRC Apple may have tried to Patent the WIMP despite the fact that it predates bits of fruit.

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 8:47 am
by russellz
lsemmens wrote:
Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:23 pm
IIRC Apple may have tried to Patent the WIMP despite the fact that it predates bits of fruit.
Not sure about that. Xerox first demonstrated the WIMP in the mid 1970s and I think there was some deal involving Apple stock allowing them access to the technology. Many Apple engineers were ex Xerox.

Russell

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2018 10:14 pm
by lsemmens
You are correct, it was not a patent infringement but there was litigation
Apple v. Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard
Main article: Apple Computer, Inc. v. Microsoft Corporation

In 1988, after the introduction of Microsoft's Windows 2.0, Apple filed a lawsuit against Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard alleging that Microsoft Windows and HP's NewWave violated Apple's copyrights in the Macintosh user interface. Cited, among other things, was the use of overlapping and resizable windows in Windows 2.0. The case was one of the "look and feel" copyright lawsuits of the 1980s. After several years in court, Apple's claims against Microsoft were dismissed, primarily due to a license John Sculley had negotiated with Bill Gates for Windows 1.0. The decision was upheld on appeal in 1994, but legal disputes on this topic were still ongoing until 1997, when the two companies came to a wide-ranging agreement that included Microsoft buying non-voting Apple stocks.[159][160]
Xerox v. Apple Computer

Xerox Corp. v. Apple Computer was a 1989 case where Xerox sued Apple over its graphical user interface (GUI) copyrights.[161] A federal district court dismissed Xerox's claims without addressing whether Apple's GUI infringed Xerox's.[162][163]
from here

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 pm
by dougy
Single clicking on Windows. I spend all day at my computer doing Autocad so saving clicks helps. I've got a Logitech G602 with 20 programmable buttons with shortcuts for Autocad, DisplayFusion (window management) and mDesktop (multiple desktops). Yep, single clicking all the way.

How do you set it in Mint?

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:54 am
by BG405
dougy wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 pm
How do you set it in Mint?
In Cinnamon, open Nemo then select Preferences from the menu, then under the Behavior tab, select the single-click option. If you're not using Cinnamon (or if the menu bar is hidden in Nemo, it might be by default) let us know. :)

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:00 pm
by dougy
BG405 wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:54 am
dougy wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:33 pm
How do you set it in Mint?
In Cinnamon, open Nemo then select Preferences from the menu, then under the Behavior tab, select the single-click option. If you're not using Cinnamon (or if the menu bar is hidden in Nemo, it might be by default) let us know. :)
Ah, much better!

Re: One click or two?

Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:05 am
by BG405
dougy wrote:
Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:00 pm
Ah, much better!
It is, isn't it. Been using it since it became available in Windows (98 I think, maybe 95 "C") & right from when I made the switch to Linux a little over 2½ years ago. In KDE, single-click has always been the default. For some reason the Neon team have decided to switch the default to double-click .. a retrograde and unnecessary move IMHO. Not that it affects me as I don't use it (Neon) at present, but I do question their decision.