Why So Many Bad Kernels - Compatibility problems between Nvidia driver & kernel

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Why So Many Bad Kernels - Compatibility problems between Nvidia driver & kernel

Post by bob466 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:32 am

I'm running Cinnamon 18.3 with Kernel 4.13.0-45...then recently Kernel 4.15.0-30 came out...result...Black Screen of Death and today Kernel 4.15.0-32 gets the same result...Black Screen of Death. :shock:

So my question is...Why so many bad Kernels ? That's two in a row...not good guys...feel like I'm back in Windoze :x I did expect better...maybe my expectations are too high. :cry: Newbies take note...learn how to Roll-Back a Kernel...otherwise you'll be looking at a Black Screen which seems to be the norm now.
Last edited by karlchen on Fri Aug 17, 2018 3:51 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Appended: "Compatibility problems between Nvidia driver & kernel" to the title, because this is what turned out to be the underlying root cause
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by gm10 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am

Did you submit a bug report to Ubuntu regarding your problems with 4.15.0-30? No? Well, there's your answer why the next in the series has the same problem.

Sounds like a video driver issue, anyway.

No such issue on my hardare.

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by HaveaMint » Wed Aug 15, 2018 2:09 am

-30 & 32 are running fine for me on two PC's.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by bob466 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:11 am

gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am

No such issue on my hardare.
-30 & 32 are running fine for me on two PC's.
Well isn't that wonderful for the both of you and so helpful too. :roll:
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by gm10 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:13 am

bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:11 am
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am

No such issue on my hardare.
-30 & 32 are running fine for me on two PC's.
Well isn't that wonderful for the both of you and so helpful too. :roll:
We didn't see you ask for help, you tried to paint a bad picture about the distro to new users, claiming that bad kernels are the norm. We both confirmed that there is no such norm.

If you want to ask for help instead, there's a red banner with the forum rules right above your thread with a link which explains how to get help.

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by thesmileyone » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:32 am

Latest are running fine for me also, nvidia 390 graphics, no microcode, latest Mint.

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by mediclaser » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:46 pm

gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am
Did you submit a bug report to Ubuntu....
This is the reason why LMDE is getting more attractive to me. The main edition Linux Mint stability depends on Ubuntu.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by gm10 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm

mediclaser wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:46 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am
Did you submit a bug report to Ubuntu....
This is the reason why LMDE is getting more attractive to me. The main edition Linux Mint stability depends on Ubuntu.
LMDE stability depends on Debian.

All of Linux stability depends on Linus.

Same difference.

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by bob466 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:23 pm

gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:13 am
bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:11 am
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am

No such issue on my hardare.
-30 & 32 are running fine for me on two PC's.
Well isn't that wonderful for the both of you and so helpful too. :roll:
We didn't see you ask for help, you tried to paint a bad picture about the distro to new users, claiming that bad kernels are the norm. We both confirmed that there is no such norm.
With comments like yours it's no wonder people are reluctant to complain about problems...Newsflash...Mint isn't prefect either...I'm not the only person with Kernel problems of late either. Complaining about a consistent problem is not bashing the Distro...maybe in your eyes but not in mine.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by JeremyB » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:28 pm

bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:23 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:13 am
bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:11 am




Well isn't that wonderful for the both of you and so helpful too. :roll:
We didn't see you ask for help, you tried to paint a bad picture about the distro to new users, claiming that bad kernels are the norm. We both confirmed that there is no such norm.
With comments like yours it's no wonder people are reluctant to complain about problems...Newsflash...Mint isn't prefect either...I'm not the only person with Kernel problems of late either. Complaining about a consistent problem is not bashing the Distro...maybe in your eyes but not in mine.
Does Mint 18 work well with the 4.4 kernels? If so I would keep using them as there is nothing to be gained from a newer kernel series other than hardware support as the 4.4 kernels will receive the same security updates as 4.15

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by mediclaser » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:48 pm

gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm
mediclaser wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:46 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am
Did you submit a bug report to Ubuntu....
This is the reason why LMDE is getting more attractive to me. The main edition Linux Mint stability depends on Ubuntu.
LMDE stability depends on Debian....
...just like Ubuntu.
By going straight to Debian, you only deal with Debian bugs. But with Ubuntu, you deal with Debian bugs + Ubuntu bugs.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by JeremyB » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:50 pm

Topic moved to chat about Linux Mint as the poster doesn't seem to want help

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by gm10 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:58 pm

mediclaser wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:48 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm
mediclaser wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:46 pm

This is the reason why LMDE is getting more attractive to me. The main edition Linux Mint stability depends on Ubuntu.
LMDE stability depends on Debian....
...just like Ubuntu.
By going straight to Debian, you only deal with Debian bugs. But with Ubuntu, you deal with Debian bugs + Ubuntu bugs.
Then cut out the middle-man, if you get your kernels from https://www.kernel.org/ you don't have third-party bugs at all. Nor their fixes, of course.
bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:23 pm
With comments like yours it's no wonder people are reluctant to complain about problems...Newsflash...Mint isn't prefect either...I'm not the only person with Kernel problems of late either. Complaining about a consistent problem is not bashing the Distro...maybe in your eyes but not in mine.
I'm always a big fan of people taking comments out of context. Good job. But if it helps getting less threads like this then by all means. And as I already said in the second post of this thread, if you actually cared about solving a problem you'd submit a bug report upstream where it belongs. You can rant over here all you want (now that a mod moved it to the correct section) but it won't change a thing.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by sarge816 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:03 pm

Does Mint 18 work well with the 4.4 kernels? If so I would keep using them as there is nothing to be gained from a newer kernel series other than hardware support as the 4.4 kernels will receive the same security updates as 4.15
+1 - Mint 18 works great for me on several PCs and laptops with 4.4. I had some minor issues with 4.15 so I continued using 4.4 which runs flawless on my various diverse hardware. That's the beauty of Linux, so many options.

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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by bob466 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:54 pm

JeremyB wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:28 pm
bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:23 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 5:13 am


We didn't see you ask for help, you tried to paint a bad picture about the distro to new users, claiming that bad kernels are the norm. We both confirmed that there is no such norm.
With comments like yours it's no wonder people are reluctant to complain about problems...Newsflash...Mint isn't prefect either...I'm not the only person with Kernel problems of late either. Complaining about a consistent problem is not bashing the Distro...maybe in your eyes but not in mine.
Does Mint 18 work well with the 4.4 kernels? If so I would keep using them as there is nothing to be gained from a newer kernel series other than hardware support as the 4.4 kernels will receive the same security updates as 4.15
I'm running 4.13.0-45 and it works just fine so I'll be staying with it for now...in the past I've had a good one followed by a bad...then I might get two or three good then a bad resulting with a black screen. The strange thing is...when I installed Cinnamon 19 with the latest Kernel it was fine and because I didn't like 19 I did a clean install of Cinnamon 18.3...did all the updates including the latest Kernel I got the black screen again using the same Graphics Card.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:58 pm

hi bob466...we never did see a... inxi -Fxz ...readout of your system to determine just what kind of hardware etc that you are expecting that kernel to work on...that in itself could be the problem...DAMIEN
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by bob466 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:15 pm

DAMIEN1307 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:58 pm
hi bob466...we never did see a... inxi -Fxz ...readout of your system to determine just what kind of hardware etc that you are expecting that kernel to work on...that in itself could be the problem...DAMIEN
I'v never posted a readout...nothing to hide...just never thought of it. Anyway here it is...

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bob@bob-B85M-D3H ~ $ inxi -Fxz
System:    Host: bob-B85M-D3H Kernel: 4.13.0-45-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.6.7 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.3 Sylvia
Machine:   Mobo: Gigabyte model: B85M-D3H v: x.x
           Bios: American Megatrends v: F8 date: 10/24/2013
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i5-4570 (-MCP-) cache: 6144 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 25542
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1499 MHz 2: 1319 MHz 3: 1531 MHz
           4: 1229 MHz
Graphics:  Card-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller
           bus-ID: 00:02.0
           Card-2: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: nvidia,intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1680x1050@59.95hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce 210/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 3.3.0 NVIDIA 340.104 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:03.0
           Card-3 NVIDIA High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.13.0-45-generic
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (18.5% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500DM002 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 443G used: 72G (17%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 17.05GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 0.0:49C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 209 Uptime: 44 min Memory: 1237.9/15920.5MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.481) inxi: 2.2.35 
bob@bob-B85M-D3H ~ $


I built it back in 2013 (All new parts) and was running Windoze 7 until 2016 when I switched to Linux Mint which I love. I have three HDDs in the Tower but only my main Cinnamon 18.3 HDD is connected to the Motherboard...the others are a Test HDD and my Windoze 7 HDD which I'm too lazy to wipe.
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by DAMIEN1307 » Wed Aug 15, 2018 11:31 pm

just a thought in the dark here...have you as of yet, run the driver manager for the nvidia update for the "390" version as of yet, and then try the newest kernel...my thinking is the graphics driver just might be the problem and not the kernel...just a thought here, and also could you copy and paste the following that i listing below...am interested in what microcode you are currently running ?...the code is there and its results should look something like this...im also running an i5 intel quad core on this machine right now...not saying it will work but the systems are similar...nothing ventured, nothing gained...lol...DAMIEN

damien@damien ~ $ dpkg -l | grep microcode
ii amd64-microcode 3.20180524.1~ubuntu0.18.04.2 amd64 Processor microcode firmware for AMD CPUs
ii intel-microcode 3.20180703.2 amd64 Processor microcode firmware for Intel CPUs
ii iucode-tool 2.3.1-1 amd64 Intel processor microcode tool
damien@damien ~ $
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by smurphos » Thu Aug 16, 2018 1:43 am

bob466 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:54 pm
The strange thing is...when I installed Cinnamon 19 with the latest Kernel it was fine and because I didn't like 19 I did a clean install of Cinnamon 18.3...did all the updates including the latest Kernel I got the black screen again using the same Graphics Card.
And now you are troubleshooting :)

There have been various reports of folks having issues with the 4.15 kernels on 18.3 with 18.3 nvidia drivers. Others have no issue with 4.15 kernels and 19 nvidia drivers on same or similar hardware. The 19 nvidia drivers were several versions ahead last time I looked.

So it's a driver issue. It looks like for the 304 / 340 driver it is affecting Ubuntu 16.04 users aswell -

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... ug/1737750
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+sour ... ug/1779687
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Re: Why So Many Bad Kernels.

Post by catweazel » Thu Aug 16, 2018 2:14 am

gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:49 pm
mediclaser wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 6:46 pm
gm10 wrote:
Wed Aug 15, 2018 1:45 am
Did you submit a bug report to Ubuntu....
This is the reason why LMDE is getting more attractive to me. The main edition Linux Mint stability depends on Ubuntu.
LMDE stability depends on Debian.

All of Linux stability depends on Linus.

Same difference.
I just love false dichotomies :)
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