better is always the goal
Not for commerical software. For example Adobe CS and Office are now subscription-based, obviously better for the company, much worse for the end-user, who pays vastly more over the years and is alway at the mercy of the company dumping the product, jacking up fees or changing it in ways the user doesn't like.
On principle that shouldn't apply to FOSS, but the blanket statement that better is always the goal rather obscures "Who's version of better?", which is the point of this thread.
It's not just a bit of an impression or suspicion, it's an absolute certainty that for at least some FOSS projects, there are plenty of users that deliberately push newcomers away, who WANT "their" OS or project to be elitist, to be out of reach of the common unwashed nooooobs!
because, well, whatever their reasons are. I presume they vary, at least a bit.
being in competition to other Linux distributions. Of course it is.
My impression, and again I'm a noob and maybe wrong, is that all variations of Linux amount to something less than 5% of the desktop userbase, so pretty pointless to worry about the others, when Windows and Mac users are such low-hanging fruit and rich pickings?
I'm from the world of commercial software and commercialism in general. I'll happily link my website but don't wish to spam unless asked for it. Note however I'm NOT a coder. I've had my own software products in the past, that I paid others to code, but my speciality is helping people sell software and SaaS, along with other things. I'm currently helping a kid's cancer charity, so I'm not entirely evil
From my perspective, if LM were a client, I'd advise "Forget other distros, you're already meant to be the "easy linux", Mac fanbois are a cult and beyond help, but Windows? There's people out there that still use XP, there are legions like me clinging to Windows7, even dedicated Microsoft fanbois admit Vista was pants and 8 a mistake - and there are millions
that loath and despise Windows 10.
If ever, ever
, Linux Mint were primed to take off, it's now
Clock ticking till Win7 end of life in 2020.
So the question is, what are you guys (LM developers) actually doing about this, to market LM and capture that market share?
Market share follows, it doesn't lead.
Yeah... er no. That's kind of what I do, and as mentioned elsewhere, if I have to explain to a developer that marketing leads, the software follows, then I'm talking to the wrong developer. Thinking it's about the software itself is entirely normal and sensible - but humans are not sensible or logical, at all. For a very long time I was active on the Business of Software forums, (now defunct as the owner got bored and already built his business) and that was THE biggest lesson newcomers had to learn.
Yes, you're way, way above me in knowledge of Linux Mint or anything that isn't Windows 7, but this, this I'm good at.
I also have some other relevant experience...
Around 15 years ago I quit and moved to the tropics, but previously was the founder and chairman of a social movement org, not FOSS but somewhat similar. I started it to help bring together many different factions of other orgs doing the same thing, but instead of helping they seemed determined to actively fight and disparage each other.
For that social issue that WAS the issue, the splintered fragmentation that prevented them from working together to achieve much more than they could as individual little orgs, each with no real funding or support.
I created an international org' as an umbrella, and for the 7 years I was running it good strides were made. Ultimately I had my own life to lead and had to move on. Anyway, point is:
I'm an expert at helping software companies gain market share, by improving their sales writing, website conversion rates, user experience etc. I'm also rather uniquely experienced at what it takes to get individuals and small groups to work together for the common good, putting their egos aside.
IF the devs are after market share then I'm so perfectly suited to help that it's almost painful. It's like this big neon sign;
"Dude! Help these people! This is what you DO! C'mon! We can kick Microsoft in the nuts and get millions of Win10 users to change over, win win! We can do this!"
Yet there's another voice, and it's saying "Er, dude? I don't think these people actually want that. I think they're kind of comfortable where they are?"
So, literally, I don't really know. Hence this thread.
A couple of points:
Yeah, I have strode in, declaring "Ha, adorable noobs. I guess I'll have to explain this stuff to ya carefully..."
How does that make you feel?
Because that's how us noobs
2. To you, gm10, you say I "necro post"? I looked it up, that means posting to dead threads? Yet the first thing we're told is "don't just ask, search for any existing threads". So that's what I did.
that's the best aggressive, so there's that? But yeah, I guess. Hopefully this long rambling post gives some idea of where I'm coming from and why so frustrated, indeed I came into this expecting
to be frustrated, semi-ignored, unable to get relevant or timely assistance and to have eventually figure stuff out for myself, and that's pretty much what happened, isn't it? Some people did make an effort but here's the most important point of this entire rambling rant:
I do appreciate that most of you do care, about LM and the end user, and I also care. Or I wouldn't have bothered writing all this, see?
Anyway, there it is, that's my rant (and reason for asking the question above).
Can I help? Should I just shut up? I honestly don't know yet. I know I've already ruffled gm10's feathers with my impatience - sorry
Hopefully this will spark some discussion, rather than deletion. Hopefully. For now I really do need to go help a kid's charity (writing a press release) *waves