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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by rjsrjs » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:17 am

pjotr: what exactly do you mean by "in place"? I don't quite know what that means.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by JoeFootball » Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:25 am

rjsrjs wrote: what exactly do you mean by "in place"? I don't quite know what that means.
If I may, I believe that he meant to say, it's safe to upgrade LM versions within a series (e.g., 19.1 to 19.2) via the Update Manager, rather than doing a new install.

If one were to upgrade to a new series (e.g., 18.3 to 19.2), while it may be technically possible, it's a convoluted process that introduces risk to the resulting system, and it's therefore preferred (in my opinion) to do a new installation in such a scenario.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by JoeFootball » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:22 pm

Here we go. For those interested in participating in the LM 19.2 Beta testing process, please note the proper process detailed in the "Bug Reports" section of the announcement.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by carum carvi » Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:35 am

Just installed LM19.2 Cinnamon beta and it works flawlessly. Text seems to be sharper indeed. Nice. Some beautiful new desktop background images. And an even more beautiful dark theme, if that wasnt present already in 19.1 though, because I have skipped that version.

Biggest plus for me personally though was the fact that the update bug after a new install of LM19/19.1 was fixed in 19.2 Cinnamon beta, altough a LM19.2 Xfce beta user mentioned that the same problem was still occuring.

Just a tiny tiny complaint: the clock (numbers) is still quite small in the taskbar and it still doesnt seem to scale along with the other symbols in the taskbar on the right.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Len99 » Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:56 am

smgordon1259 wrote:
Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:16 pm
btw check out the screen savers lately? some nice one been added or redone
I would love to know what happened to the screen savers from 19.1 LMC to 19.2 LMC ..... there are no good looking screen savers in the beta version :cry:

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by smurphos » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:10 pm

Len99 wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:56 am
I would love to know what happened to the screen savers from 19.1 LMC to 19.2 LMC ..... there are no good looking screen savers in the beta version :cry:
Support for the xscreensaver plugins was removed form cinnamon-screensaver in Cinnamon 4.0.x - i.e Mint 19.1 due to concerns they were a factor in some people experiencing problems with the lock screen not locking properly.

If you want a simple photo slideshow screensaver you could try my little screensaver script - https://github.com/smurphos/nemo_action ... -slideshow

Or if you want to conduct some minor surgery on your installation you can effectively override cinnamon-screensaver with the full xscreensaver package - viewtopic.php?f=42&t=284037
For custom Nemo actions, useful scripts for the Cinnamon desktop, and Cinnamox themes visit my Github pages.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by MurphCID » Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:50 pm

carum carvi wrote:
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:35 am
Just installed LM19.2 Cinnamon beta and it works flawlessly. Text seems to be sharper indeed. Nice. Some beautiful new desktop background images. And an even more beautiful dark theme, if that wasnt present already in 19.1 though, because I have skipped that version.

Biggest plus for me personally though was the fact that the update bug after a new install of LM19/19.1 was fixed in 19.2 Cinnamon beta, altough a LM19.2 Xfce beta user mentioned that the same problem was still occuring.

Just a tiny tiny complaint: the clock (numbers) is still quite small in the taskbar and it still doesnt seem to scale along with the other symbols in the taskbar on the right.
If they have better fonts, and rendering, I will switch in a heartbeat since that has always been my beef with Linux is that as a general rule it is ugly.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Len99 » Sat Jul 27, 2019 4:41 am

smurphos wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:10 pm
Len99 wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:56 am
I would love to know what happened to the screen savers from 19.1 LMC to 19.2 LMC ..... there are no good looking screen savers in the beta version :cry:
Support for the xscreensaver plugins was removed form cinnamon-screensaver in Cinnamon 4.0.x - i.e Mint 19.1 due to concerns they were a factor in some people experiencing problems with the lock screen not locking properly.

If you want a simple photo slideshow screensaver you could try my little screensaver script - https://github.com/smurphos/nemo_action ... -slideshow

Or if you want to conduct some minor surgery on your installation you can effectively override cinnamon-screensaver with the full xscreensaver package - viewtopic.php?f=42&t=284037
Many thanks for those answers and options you supplied smurphos, though I was surprised that the screensavers caused issues as I never had a problem with it as far as I am aware of, in fact my LMC 19>19.1 was as stable as anything and was the reason I went to the beta 19.2 without fear!!! anyway I shall see if I can work it out as I am not technical at all.....

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Moem » Sat Jul 27, 2019 5:13 am

MurphCID wrote:
Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:50 pm
If they have better fonts, and rendering, I will switch in a heartbeat since that has always been my beef with Linux is that as a general rule it is ugly.
Not sure about rendering. But contrast is improved:
The theme contrast in Mint-Y went under heavy scrutiny:

The titlebar, menubar, headerbar and toolbars were darkened slightly (from #454545 to #404040).
The titlebar buttons for the active window were significantly darkened (from #909090 to #404040).
Some Mint 19.1 contrast improvements were found to only affect GTK3. They were ported to GTK2 (text for instance was darkened from #4f4f4f to #303030).
To look more consistent, table headers were changed from #202020 to #303030.
The terminal opacity was changed from 90% to 97%.
The main accent color kept the same hue but its saturation and value were increased slightly.
Dimmed labels were given 10% more opacity.
Progressbars were improved and their colors were tuned to increase contrast.
The Nemo sidebar was darkened.
Two sets of icons per color variation are now available: one light (for -dark and -darker themes) and one dark (for light themes).

The default fonts were switched from Noto to the Ubuntu fonts.
https://www.linuxmint.com/rel_tina_cinn ... atsnew.php
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Alley Cat » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:30 am

I'm using Mint-X themes and I could swear something has been changed in those as well. They look smoother than I remembered. I switched fonts back to Noto Sans though, I've always liked their look.
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Pjotr » Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:57 am

I love the new fonts in 19.2. They look awesome. A huge improvement. :)

For owners of brand-new hardware it's rather a disappointment that it still features a 4.15.x kernel, instead of an HWE kernel for support for very new hardware.... This'll force some people to switch distro.
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Portreve » Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:40 am

Pjotr wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:57 am
I love the new fonts in 19.2. They look awesome. A huge improvement. :)
I'll wait until you've created a 19.2 guide. There's no way for me to know what's changed.
I'm so down wit' dat', yo, dass ich unter dem Beton bin.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:02 am

Portreve wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:40 am
Pjotr wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:57 am
I love the new fonts in 19.2. They look awesome. A huge improvement. :)
I'll wait until you've created a 19.2 guide. There's no way for me to know what's changed.
I won't have to change my how-to's for 19.2.... I'm only planning to supplement them a bit with information about some nifty new features in some Mint-only tools.

That's all, because the upstream code base (Ubuntu 18.04) remains identical and because the look-and-feel of the desktop environments (Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce) hasn't changed. :)
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by gm10 » Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:41 am

Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:02 am
That's all, because the upstream code base (Ubuntu 18.04) remains identical and because the look-and-feel of the desktop environments (Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce) hasn't changed. :)
Hmm, off the top of my head some issues you can expect regarding MATE and its menu:
  • 19.2 updates MATE to 1.22, breaking compatibility with existing MATE menus in the repositories like Brisk menu, so users should switch back to the default menu before upgrading (for afterwards it won't display anymore, making it hard to remove without diving into dconf)
  • Clem for some reason now defaults mintmenu to use menulibre as the menu editor instead of MATE's own mozo. menulibre will, however, cause some breakage to the menu (duplication of categories and entries), so better tell people to uninstall that right away and install mozo instead. To fix the problems caused by menulibre they'll have to remove the user-*.menu files that menulibre creates in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged.
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:07 am

gm10 wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:41 am
Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 5:02 am
That's all, because the upstream code base (Ubuntu 18.04) remains identical and because the look-and-feel of the desktop environments (Cinnamon, MATE and Xfce) hasn't changed. :)
Hmm, off the top of my head some issues you can expect regarding MATE and its menu:
  • 19.2 updates MATE to 1.22, breaking compatibility with existing MATE menus in the repositories like Brisk menu, so users should switch back to the default menu before upgrading (for afterwards it won't display anymore, making it hard to remove without diving into dconf)
  • Clem for some reason now defaults mintmenu to use menulibre as the menu editor instead of MATE's own mozo. menulibre will, however, cause some breakage to the menu (duplication of categories and entries), so better tell people to uninstall that right away and install mozo instead. To fix the problems caused by menulibre they'll have to remove the user-*.menu files that menulibre creates in ~/.config/menus/applications-merged.
Thanks, I'll look into that....
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by MurphCID » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:20 am

Pjotr wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:57 am
I love the new fonts in 19.2. They look awesome. A huge improvement. :)

For owners of brand-new hardware it's rather a disappointment that it still features a 4.15.x kernel, instead of an HWE kernel for support for very new hardware.... This'll force some people to switch distro.
Why? Just curious, doesn't the 4.15.50+ kernels add some support for more modern hardware? Please excuse my ignorance on that subject.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by MurphCID » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:20 am

Portreve wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:40 am
Pjotr wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:57 am
I love the new fonts in 19.2. They look awesome. A huge improvement. :)
I'll wait until you've created a 19.2 guide. There's no way for me to know what's changed.
I am going to wait as well.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:24 am

MurphCID wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:20 am
doesn't the 4.15.50+ kernels add some support for more modern hardware?
Generally, no.... Within a particular kernel series, it's usually mainly bug fixes. The hardware drivers in it, ordinarily retain their original versions.

Only a brand-new kernel series is chock full of brand-new drivers. That's why you see me advise so often on this forum to install a kernel from a newer series, when someone encounters a problem with very new hardware. :mrgreen:
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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by MurphCID » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:32 am

Pjotr wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:24 am
MurphCID wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:20 am
doesn't the 4.15.50+ kernels add some support for more modern hardware?
Generally, no.... Within a particular kernel series, it's usually mainly bug fixes. The hardware drivers in it, ordinarily retain their original versions.

Only a brand-new kernel series is chock full of brand-new drivers. That's why you see me advise so often on this forum to install a kernel from a newer series, when someone encounters a problem with very new hardware. :mrgreen:
AH, thank you for that I was unclear on if the kernels added hardware. I might install the 5.0 on my current installation, but then again maybe not since it works well so far.

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Re: New Linux Mint 19.2. is coming to town soon...

Post by Pjotr » Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:37 am

MurphCID wrote:
Mon Jul 29, 2019 6:32 am
I might install the 5.0 on my current installation, but then again maybe not since it works well so far.
When your hardware works well on your current kernel series, there's often little (if anything) to be gained by installing a kernel from a newer series....
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