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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by gm10 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:35 am

smurphos wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:16 am
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4

I haven't needed to do this with fresh 19.2 fresh installs so far. I've only done 2 though... :)
Yep, we fixed that.
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Post by Pjotr » Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:37 am

gm10 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:35 am
smurphos wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:16 am
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4

I haven't needed to do this with fresh 19.2 fresh installs so far. I've only done 2 though... :)
Yep, we fixed that.
Another thing to fix in my how-to's then. :lol:
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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by cliffcoggin » Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:27 am

Do you have on older version archived that relates to Mint 18.3? I am not in need of such a thing at the moment, but as I plan to stay on 18.3 for another year or two I would be glad to know of a reference.
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Post by Pjotr » Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:12 am

smurphos wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:16 am
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4

I haven't needed to do this with fresh 19.2 fresh installs so far. I've only done 2 though... :)
Thanks for reporting this! I've fixed it:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4
A potential issue, not applicable in a clean installation of 19.2 but only, potentially, in an upgraded Mint.
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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by gm10 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:12 am

Pjotr wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 6:12 am
smurphos wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:16 am
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4

I haven't needed to do this with fresh 19.2 fresh installs so far. I've only done 2 though... :)
Thanks for reporting this! I've fixed it:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4
A potential issue, not applicable in a clean installation of 19.2 but only, potentially, in an upgraded Mint.
Why mention Update Manager at all? This problem can occur if you're running any dconf-enabled application with sudo. We've seen many users here lock their dconf database down that way and then wonder why they cannot change their settings anymore. If anything you should add a warning about that (you probably have somewhere else).
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Post by Pjotr » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:14 pm

gm10 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:12 am
Why mention Update Manager at all? This problem can occur if you're running any dconf-enabled application with sudo.
Yes, well, the reason to put this specific tip in my do-this-first lists is, that mintupdate used to cause this through no fault of the user, but through a fault in mintupdate itself.

On other pages I have tips for repairing user errors (among which repairing home permissions). :)
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Post by gm10 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:23 pm

Fair enough. And yes, this was a mintupdate bug, Clem hadn't known that using sudo will run as root but still with enough of the environment of the user that the user's dconf database will be accessed (if not the whole mintupdate thing wouldn't have worked in the first place). sudo -Es should be safe, btw, that had been my first implementation of a fix (we ended up doing it differently by splitting the part that accesses dconf into a different process).
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Post by HappyHippo » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:40 pm

Again you did a very, VERY much appreciated job.
You are such a blessing for the Linux users, and not only for beginners!

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Post by Pjotr » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:37 pm

thx-1138 wrote:
Thu Aug 01, 2019 12:55 pm
...you might want to rewrite / modify the section for iwlwifi at some point,
and instead point to linux-firmware's git directly (as suggested by the devs there as well).
Following the current instructions there now, someone has a strong chance of actually removing firmware files,
and thereby ending up then just copying over even older ones (i've further pm-ed you with a real-life example to get an idea).
Thanks! I've modified it (please alert me if there are any inaccuracies):
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... t.html#ID7
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Post by gm10 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:52 pm

item 10 and the page it links to are very outdated, are they not? At least I haven't seen Ubuntu lagging behind on microcode updates since Meltdown. Should probably be removed lest it causes confusion.
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Post by Pjotr » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:09 pm

gm10 wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:52 pm
item 10 and the page it links to are very outdated, are they not? At least I haven't seen Ubuntu lagging behind on microcode updates since Meltdown. Should probably be removed lest it causes confusion.
But will the Ubuntu Security Team always stay as sharp on upstream microcode updates as it currently is? I think it can do no harm to maintain the how-to for exceptional emergencies....
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Post by gm10 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:11 pm

Pjotr wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:09 pm
But will the Ubuntu Security Team always stay as sharp on upstream microcode updates as it currently is? I think it can do no harm to maintain the how-to for exceptional emergencies....
Will Debian? If you are really worried then you must go to the source: https://downloadcenter.intel.com/downlo ... -Data-File, although personally I wouldn't consider a microcode update emergency-worthy.
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Post by thx-1138 » Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:17 pm

It seems Canonical has also moved such from restricted to main as it is...
I don't have much of an opinion on this myself (i mean, nowadays, i assume that at worst case scenario,
they might lag behind Debian a couple days or so, say to do their own further internal testing, but i wouldn't really expect serious delays...)

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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by ColdBootII » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:36 am

smurphos wrote:
Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:16 am
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID2.4

I haven't needed to do this with fresh 19.2 fresh installs so far. I've only done 2 though... :)
I had on upgraded Tessa (.dbus and .gvfs folders ). Cheers Pjotr.

It's a pity Update Manager lost update level options. With level set to 2 I had nothing to do for almost 3 years Made Timeshift backups appear as waste of space, :mrgreen: Of course, presuming they were not placebo settings up till now.

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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by gm10 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:39 am

ColdBootII wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:36 am
It's a pity Update Manager lost update level options. With level set to 2 I had nothing to do for almost 3 years Made Timeshift backups appear as waste of space, :mrgreen: Of course, presuming they were not placebo settings up till now.
It just means that you didn't install any security updates for 3 years. I think the only placebo effect may have been that you felt good about it. ;)
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Post by ColdBootII » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:47 am

gm10 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:39 am
It just means that you didn't install any security updates for 3 years. I think the only placebo effect may have been that you felt good about it. ;)
You are joking, of course. :mrgreen: There were security updates and they were prevalent (marked by a shield icons) with just occasional upgrades. Now, well see how stable Tina will be...

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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by gm10 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:59 am

ColdBootII wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:47 am
gm10 wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:39 am
It just means that you didn't install any security updates for 3 years. I think the only placebo effect may have been that you felt good about it. ;)
You are joking, of course. :mrgreen: There were security updates and they were prevalent (marked by a shield icons) with just occasional upgrades. Now, well see how stable Tina will be...
Depends on your configuration. If you were limiting yourself to level 2 but had security updates always enabled you probably didn't block many updates at all and only kept other bugs, but otherwise you left the door wide open. Either way, glad I got Clem to get rid of the levels, not sorry about that. P
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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by ColdBootII » Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:15 am

Yes, kernel and security updates were checked. I guess, what levels were doing was limiting excessive upgrades to system files? From now on, this could mean, if Ubuntu cocks up something there will be no barrier, whatsoever.

Sorry, you feel that way. I thought (perhaps I was wrong) it accounted for system stability,
Cheers.

Edit: just recalled unattended upgrades (not the ones from Update Manager but Debian utility). If it's working in Mint, all is not lost. :mrgreen:
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Post by Pjotr » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:24 am

ColdBootII wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:15 am
From now on, this could mean, if Ubuntu cocks up something there will be no barrier, whatsoever.
You can still use apt-mark:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... html#ID3.1
(item 3.1)
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Re: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina: my how-to's have all been modified

Post by gm10 » Sat Aug 03, 2019 8:52 am

ColdBootII wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:15 am
Sorry, you feel that way. I thought (perhaps I was wrong) it accounted for system stability,
See, that idea that not fixing bugs is somehow making your system more stable is exactly why levels had to go. :)

Mind you, this is through no fault of your own: the way the old system was made up it basically led you to understand it that way. Which was exactly the problem.
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