Linux Mint 19.3 'Tricia' What are your First Impressions?

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Pjotr wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:05 am
Yup, Mint 19.3 Xfce features the brand-new Xfce 4.14. Which for me, makes it perhaps the most exciting of the three Tricia editions. :mrgreen:
I'm going to have to remember to call those fuzzy, stretched icons "exciting" rather than use a term that would come more naturally...
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Re: Linux Mint 19.3 'Tricia' What are your First Impressions?

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rene wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:15 am
Pjotr wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:05 am
Yup, Mint 19.3 Xfce features the brand-new Xfce 4.14. Which for me, makes it perhaps the most exciting of the three Tricia editions. :mrgreen:
I'm going to have to remember to call those fuzzy, stretched icons "exciting" rather than use a term that would come more naturally...

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Re: Linux Mint 19.3 'Tricia' What are your First Impressions?

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Pjotr wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:26 am
How horribly superficial you are! :lol:
With an exception for the also then still gigantic christmas-bell, it can be made mostly/more OK to my eyes by, with a panel row size of 32 pixels, disabling automatic scaling and setting a fixed icon size of 20 pixels.

But other than that... hohoho: I'm going fun-shopping.
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So Far 19.3 has been preforming very well and Just now beginning to explore what's new. Haven't seen any glitches and my Finger print reader finally works pretty good also. Never could get it working correctly with 19.2

Will keep testing things but so far no glitches.

Xfce and Cinnamon both performing great on my Hardware.
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Re: Linux Mint 19.3 'Tricia' What are your First Impressions?

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rene wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:15 am
Pjotr wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:05 am
Yup, Mint 19.3 Xfce features the brand-new Xfce 4.14. Which for me, makes it perhaps the most exciting of the three Tricia editions. :mrgreen:
I'm going to have to remember to call those fuzzy, stretched icons "exciting" rather than use a term that would come more naturally...

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You mean the network icon? That is not Xfce's fault, that is caused by Mint's new Xapp Status Icon (see release notes). If you remove that to go back to the default notification area plugin it looks like this:
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The rest looks fine to me/depends on your icon set.
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Hm, I admit that I am not sure what I am looking at in my bottom panel, right hand side:

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Xapp Status Icons? Default notification area icons? A mix of both? And how do I switch between the 2, provided the choice to switch exists. Hm.
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gm10 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 9:11 am
You mean the network icon?
Yes, but as to size all really, with the volume icon most prominent, next to the (by the upgrade removed, by the way) digital clock. I have trouble getting a coherent result with or without the XApp Status Plugin applet, Certainly the Notification Plugin icon seems to always max itself out but even accepting that as a glitch, I can not for now between Panel Preferences -> Appearance and Notification Area -> Appearance get a coherent set of equally sized and non-fuzzy icons.

Note; thanks in advance to anyone for specific advise of course, but I will have to say that to me a DE is mostly a browser launcher and otherwise mostly mere eye-candy; that the value of something such as Mint is for me largely that I do not have to concern myself with what I consider unimportant graphical details while still not not enjoying daily use of said graphical environment.

I would for now say that for me Mint 19.3 has in this specific app-icon area regressed in that sense. By default the notification area "texture" now reminds me of the years I had a cat that would regularly vomit up milk all over my desktop...
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in the meantime I am enjoying crisp icons on my MATE desktop.
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Or maybe it's just because I don't use Mint's theme and icons (nor Mint's MATE, Xapps applets, forked libappindicator or anything else, but let's not get technical :lol: ).
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ajgringo619 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:49 pm
Mint 19.3 is still using XFCE v4.12.4; v4.14 is probably slated for Mint 20.
xfce 4.12.4? Says who?

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karl@unimatrix0:~$ inxi -Sxxx
System:    Host: unimatrix0 Kernel: 4.15.0-72-generic i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 
           tk: Gtk 3.22.30 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia 
           base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic
I read "Xfce 4.14.1".
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karlchen wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:00 am
ajgringo619 wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 9:49 pm
Mint 19.3 is still using XFCE v4.12.4; v4.14 is probably slated for Mint 20.
xfce 4.12.4? Says who?

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karl@unimatrix0:~$ inxi -Sxxx
System:    Host: unimatrix0 Kernel: 4.15.0-72-generic i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Xfce 4.14.1 
           tk: Gtk 3.22.30 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia 
           base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic
I read "Xfce 4.14.1".
My conky lied to me! :oops: I was using apt policy xfce4 and it still reads 4.12.4, but inxi shows 4.14.1.
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Hello, ajgringo619.

You have just been acquitted. :D Found out that indeed on my LM 19.3 with xfce 4.14.1, apt-cache reports this, too:

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apt-cache policy xfce4
xfce4:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 4.12.4
  Version table:
     4.12.4 500
        500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu bionic/universe i386 Packages
Hm. Seems as if the Mint team did not include the xfce4 4.14.1 meta-package.

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karlchen wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:17 pm
Seems as if the Mint team did not include the xfce4 4.14.1 meta-package.
Mint has it's own meta-package, the "xfce4" one has never been used on Mint. Not even Xubuntu uses that actually.
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gm10 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:39 pm
Mint has it's own meta-package,
Yes, this is known.
gm10 wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:39 pm
the "xfce4" one has never been used on Mint. Not even Xubuntu uses that actually.
This will be cross-checked on our systems.
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karlchen wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:58 pm
This will be cross-checked on our systems.
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What was so funny about my answer? Here are quite a few xfce systems, including Xubuntu. I just wanted to tell that I will check whether really none of them has got the xfce4 package. Possible this is the case, and I have just never noticed.

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By Saturday morning, on the following systems the package xfce4 had been confirmed as "absent" by default:
+ no xfce4 meta package on Xubuntu 18.04.3
+ no xfce4 meta package on LM 19.2 xfce
+ no xfce4 meta package on LM 18.1 xfce
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Reason: confirmed absence of xfce4 meta package
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karlchen wrote:
Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:02 pm
What was so funny about my answer?
I'm easily amused, and in this instance the wording "this will be" made me chuckle, very officious sounding. :)

And sure, let me know, all my answer was based on is:

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grep "xfce4\s" /usr/share/mint-dev-tools/manifests/ -R
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Used update manager to upgrade from XFCE 19.2 to 19.3. (3 computers in all - both 32 & 64 bit).
For a while I thought the installation was dead in its tracks because the installer greyed out the "install at your own risk checkbox" and I couldn't check it but it proceeded and finished the upgrade anyway. A screen appeared that asked to install a language pack for LibreOffice and then the latest 5 or something kernel ... agreed to both.
Love the aesthetics of the new XFCE desktop ... practical,utilitarian & simple.
Everything worked fine ... no issues.
Sometimes takes weeks for bugs and glitches to bubble to the surface if there are any.
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my upgrade from 19.2 to 19.3 failed. ended up with duplicate applets in task bar. Some applets didn't work at all. If I closed oneapplet both symbols closed. Had to do a clean install of 19.3.
Everything is working fine. except I cant start the system from standby. the keyboard is just slow and sticks from that state. I am thinking to go back to
19.1 which was smick. Also the 5x kernels seem to be slower. in both 19.2 and 19.3. will consider going back to 4x

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I must admit that when I first used Mint many, many years ago I absolutely loved it and was an avid everyday user. Since those early days of using Mint I moved to various other Linux Distros and from time to time came back to mint. I'm now a Peppermint user as my daily driver, but like to look at and install other Distros too and for sometime now have kept an avid eye on Linux Mint. My first impressions of Tricia and of 19.2 are what the hell is going on with the theming? If I were to release anything as popular as Linux Mint, I would make sure the theming looked smooth, instead of these ------------ at the top and bottom of the themes. I'm used to everything working and looking good, a lot of people would probably not be bothered, but being a Linux User for so many years I am not liking the fact that they are there in every theme. I have Tricia installed on a separate hard drive and have yet to actually use it properly, but in due course will report back my findings. I use the XFCE DE as I like that better than any other. I have noticed a lot of new Distros with the same in their theming those weird ------ lines and it's all to do with over-shoot in the GTK scripts that need to be altered to transparent to get rid of these lines. Would of been nice to not have to and I understand that looking after not just one Desktop Environment but others including Mate, Cinnamon, XFCE, Debian, is a huge thing to take on, making sure that all Environments run the same. I get that and getting the devs together to hand in their hard work on different aspects of the OS on time, from fixing stuff and adding stuff. It's these -------- lines that put me off though, call me fussy and tell me to go if you want, but in my opinion they need to be addressed, so that first impressions like mine are not written over and over again. Below is a screenshot of what I mean
https://imgur.com/F7PGkPv.png
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clatterfordslim wrote:
Sat Dec 21, 2019 4:13 am
Below is a screenshot of what I mean
Those lines are an intentional features of GTK3.16+ and necessary due to overlay scrolling. You'd otherwise have no way of knowing that there is additional content.

I don't see what that has got to do with this thread though.
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