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Hello and Thank you

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 pm
by slipsnip
TLDR: Not a question. Thank you for opening my eyes and building a very awesome distribution.

I wanted to say having ignored Linux Mint in favour of Arch based distributions, having recently watched a few reviews of your new Linux Mint 20 Cinnamon edition on Youtube I was impressed enough to install it on a second drive and I have found myself using it for three days straight. That is honestly longer than I have ever used any Ubuntu based distribution and being a self proclaimed power user, this is a breath of fresh air honestly.

My impressions are that there has been a lot of thought and care put into this distribution and I especially love how easy it is to configure and tweak to your liking. With the welcome page including common settings and tasks, this makes for a discoverable experience. I normally use tiling window managers, but forcing myself to use Cinnamon, with some tweaks like keyboard shortcuts and disabling window decorations, I can reach an acceptable level of happiness. While its probably unlikely I will not change out the wm in the future, I think your Cinnamon desktop is very well made and I especially love how everything is in one Settings panel, as opposed to how Manjaro does it with a separate settings dialogue for their own custom stuff. The hardware manager is something I have come to expect and was glad it was there for me. I love that you have shipped timeshift and have a Backup utility.

Yes I do miss having bleeding edge software but figure I will force myself to use what is in the store with a few exceptions where I will use the flatpacs. I love that you disabled snaps by default yet provide a easy way for people to enable them should they choose to do so. Thank you.

Re: Hello and Thank you

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:17 pm
by Pierre
Hi slipsnip,
welcome to our forum
:)

the LinuxMint System is does not use an cutting edge software, but rather focusses on stability. instead.

Re: Hello and Thank you

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:09 am
by rene
Same background (and Slackware before that). Sceptically looked around at the time of Mint 17 which for one booted faster than any of my carefully tweaked custom systems and for two featured a Just Works factor I hadn't until that point known actually existed on the Linux desktop. If you know enough about Linux in general you know enough to avoid some of the underlying Debian/Ubuntu crap that you feel to be just too much, and personally I've now been here for four years or so.

One day I'll be one of the cool kids again... but not today.

Re: Hello and Thank you

Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:24 am
by Moem
slipsnip wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:02 pm
TLDR: Not a question.
That is fine, we have areas for not-questions, I have moved your post accordingly. By all means, carry on. :D

Re: Hello and Thank you

Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2020 11:49 pm
by slipsnip
Thank you for moving the post, I was looking through the categories before bosting unfortunately I somehow missed this one.
rene wrote:
Wed Jul 01, 2020 3:09 am
Same background (and Slackware before that). Sceptically looked around at the time of Mint 17 which for one booted faster than any of my carefully tweaked custom systems and for two featured a Just Works factor I hadn't until that point known actually existed on the Linux desktop. If you know enough about Linux in general you know enough to avoid some of the underlying Debian/Ubuntu crap that you feel to be just too much, and personally I've now been here for four years or so.

One day I'll be one of the cool kids again... but not today.
That is very impressive, I never did learn Slackware myself. Anyone who has used that distribution is a cool kid, just because you haven't used it in forever does not make you less cool. I respect that. I am not a linux expert but I love the command line and always have one open, often with multiple tmux windows and splits as I am sure you do the same. I guess im fearless and have a lot of spare time on my hands to experiment but honestly Linux Mint is a breath of fresh air, sure I can spend hours installing and configuring a base distro into what I want, or i can just just be lazy, let it set most of the important stuff up and then tweak it. This is very awesome. Though it does look like I will be swapping out the window manager soon, I can say Cinnamon is very good, KDE was slow and I just could not get into it, Gnome was even slower. Cinnamon feels almost like a xfce / gnome hybrid, maybe im wrong but that's what it feels like, performance has not been an issue.

Re: Hello and Thank you

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2020 7:12 am
by rene
Please note that as to "being one of the cool kids" that was fairly explicitly cynical. I.e., when you're no longer in fact a kid (of any age) you tend to notice that the cool kids tend to not in fact also be the brightest. Or, well, I do at the very least.

Specifically as to Slackware: while I appreciate minimalism (it probably still features the most basic BSD-style init available in the Linux-scape for example) the unfortunate level to which "minimal" and "old" can coincide also means that minimalism and thoughtless conservatism can intermingle in unhealthy ways. I left when I found that balance to tip the wrong way some, I believe, 9 years or so ago now. Left Arch when it through numerous architectural decisions became basically just a Red Hat hangers-on product and most specifically when its adoption of systemd meant it forced one into a uniform lowlevel setup anyway lest one basically needed to do it all oneself, and do so again on every rolling update.

This time then looked around for the most uncool distribution I could find --- and here I am. Works for me. dpkg and apt still annoy me most over here on the Debian-side. Their use, but certainly their build infrastructure as compared to the utterly straightforward packaging on Slackware and, only slightly less so, Arch. But oh well, who needs it when one just gave up on being cool in the first place?

I'd say that finding Cinnamon to be halfway between Xfce and GNOME isn't too far out indeed. Although probably a bit of an eyesore of a statement to anyone with an actual clue about the desktop environment, Cinnamon at the lower, infrastructural levels basically is GNOME3, with a different "GNOME Shell" and various settings applications and what have you. Xfce while definitely farther away has also adopted quite a bit of underlying GNOME infrastructure such as GVFS, and I personally categorise it as therethrough being just Linux-canonical enough to not overly frequently annoy me with things I don't care about in the first place. I.e., yes, although not a tmux/screen user, I do tend to do many/most of my computing from the terminal, and that'll do in any environment.

Any case. Welcome and I hope you (also) manage to defeat your inner cool kid. It's been quite a relief 8)