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Hi guys,
I've keyed this to the relevant story.
https://youtu.be/DN6Orvq93R8?t=1070

What is the biggest, safest, quickest update alternative to Firefox?
(Are they in trouble? Is their business model not sustainable?)
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Chromium or Google Chrome but you probably don't want to hear that answer. Yes Mozilla are in trouble due to mismanagement over many years previous to this announcement.
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antikythera wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:09 am
Chromium or Google Chrome but you probably don't want to hear that answer. Yes Mozilla are in trouble due to mismanagement over many years previous to this announcement.
+1. Google making FF more wlike Chrome as the latter has taken most of its market share did NOT help. And when HTML5, which has DRM capability built in, became the standard Mozilla lost its status as the big FOSS browser. You cannot make a FOSS browser that casual users will want anymore.
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151tom wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:04 am
I doubt development quality can go down any lower than it has and already is.

I've been a Firefox user since the days of Windows XP and have had several complaints with it however still use it and like it.

Have to see what happens with Firefox and perhaps some new improvements will happen if not well there are other browsers.
This is where I stand too. I've stuck with FF through thick and thin (ever since Netscape bit the dust), even though the developers have at times made crazy (often UI-related) decisions. All they needed to do was ensure it was fast with no memory leaks and remained very configurable and it would still retain an important slice of the market. Instead it has been affected by developers with "whizzingly fantastic new concepts and approaches", willing at a whim to drop backwards compatibility, and it is where it is at now. I'll carry on with it because I do not trust Chrome with my data, but it saddens me when I remember what Firefox used to be.
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How did FF make money?
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May just be the beginning of the end...Firefox was last measured at a 4.5% market usage rate....DAMIEN

https://www.itprotoday.com/windows-and- ... efox-usage
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Eclipsenow+ wrote:
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Firefox loses 250 employees - will development quality go down?
Would anyone notice?
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hydrurga wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:29 am
...even though the developers have at times made crazy (often UI-related) decisions. All they needed to do was ensure it was fast with no memory leaks and remained very configurable and it would still retain an important slice of the market. Instead it has been affected by developers with "whizzingly fantastic new concepts and approaches", willing at a whim to drop backwards compatibility, and it is where it is at now.
For the past few years each version of FF seemed to be slightly harder to use than the previous versions, so I'm hoping the loss of employees will result in a decrease of shiny new bad ideas.
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Flemur wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:52 pm
hydrurga wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:29 am
...even though the developers have at times made crazy (often UI-related) decisions. All they needed to do was ensure it was fast with no memory leaks and remained very configurable and it would still retain an important slice of the market. Instead it has been affected by developers with "whizzingly fantastic new concepts and approaches", willing at a whim to drop backwards compatibility, and it is where it is at now.
For the past few years each version of FF seemed to be slightly harder to use than the previous versions, so I'm hoping the loss of employees will result in a decrease of shiny new bad ideas.
I'm blaming the over-use of non-pharmaceutically approved substances.
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Flemur wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 12:52 pm
For the past few years each version of FF seemed to be slightly harder to use than the previous versions, so I'm hoping the loss of employees will result in a decrease of shiny new bad ideas.
Isn't the CEO generating any new ideas? If we see a problem, we need to look at CEO.
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What does everyone make of this thought?
Is it really technologically too difficult for FOSS browsers to keep up? :cry:
+1. Google making FF more wlike Chrome as the latter has taken most of its market share did NOT help. And when HTML5, which has DRM capability built in, became the standard Mozilla lost its status as the big FOSS browser. You cannot make a FOSS browser that casual users will want anymore.
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It depends who sets the new standard concerned and developed the code behind it. As long as THEY share their work opensource then no it is not.
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I support the fight of which Mozilla and others are a part. And, Firefox on the desktop is still great.

I guess we'll see what happens.
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Speaking of alternatives - what do people make of Vivaldi?
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I will sticking with Firefox for a long long time, even IF it is no longer supported.

none of the other browsers have any features that I can abide with.
I suppose I will have to use a different browser once my bank decides it is too old.

FF vs 55.x still works just fine, used it last night on a different laptop before it had a chance to update itself.
I had turned off Updates just to use it for a while.
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Good! Nice to see some loyalty there.

However, if Firefox have lost the loyalty of volunteer developers due to the prioritising of other widgets etc and losing focus (as the charge appears to be above - I don't know enough about all this!) - could another FOSS browser take over that brand loyalty?

Vivaldi seem to be saying all the right words in terms of mission statement, etc.
Apps often monitor users, create profiles, and sell data to advertisers for profit. That’s the cost of using their services for “free”.

But not Vivaldi. Honestly, we have no use for your data.

The sites you visit, what you type in the browser, your downloads – we have zero interest and zero access to that data. It’s either stored locally on your machine, or encrypted.

We have zero data to sell.

We’re not going to lie. Of course it’d be nice to have data about how you use Vivaldi (like what are your favorite features). But rather than tracking this in a creepy way, we think it’s better to ask you directly. Crazy, we know.


https://vivaldi.com/zerotracking/
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We believe that many people want to customize and tweak every square inch of their browser to make it their own. They want access to advanced tools without sacrificing performance or security. And they want to be heard.

"We’re building a browser that is powerful, personal and flexible. A browser that adapts to you, not the other way around."

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An amazing community of volunteers and a healthy dose of browser-building expertise.

Our founder and CEO, Jon von Tetzchner, was creating a browser before most people had even heard of the internet. We believe in self-organization and collaborating across departments and projects. But we don’t do it alone. We count on a brilliant community of Volunteers around the world that help us test, translate and spread the word.

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And we plan to keep it that way.

Having no external investors gives us the freedom to listen to our users and, together with them, build the browser they deserve. Every idea counts and is taken seriously.
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Eclipsenow+ wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 7:49 pm
Speaking of alternatives - what do people make of Vivaldi?
I switched to Vivaldi several months ago and I really like it. It was made by one of the guys that used to run Opera, back when Opera had heaps of features that people loved and before it was sold to the Chinese. It regularly receives updates and new features (I love the screen capture and notes features). I keep FF on my PC as a backup browser (you always want to have to browsers in case something happens to one that stops it from working) but I never actually use it.
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Nice to hear. How do you use their notes features? I don't know if I would feel comfortable going into full Evernote / Onenote / Keep mode with a browser - because Browsers seem to be things that can change and suddenly need to switch. Do they have a backup function for your notes so you can download them all in one click?
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Eclipsenow+ wrote:
Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:07 pm
Nice to hear. How do you use their notes features? I don't know if I would feel comfortable going into full Evernote / Onenote / Keep mode with a browser - because Browsers seem to be things that can change and suddenly need to switch. Do they have a backup function for your notes so you can download them all in one click?
I have used, Evernote. It used to be totally free for 2 just two devices,
I deleted my PC as a device and only use it from the Weblink, that leaves my cellphone as the only Registered device, so I can keep the free version.

as I mostly keep Text notes, with just a few images once in a while, I never exceed their limits for free use.

I tried OneNote, but it is stored on your on device... that canceled me out, I need Evernote accessible from anywhere I might be.

I never use a browser's note features, I use Ted on my Mint PCs, and Evernote for the web version.

for quick and dirty notes on my cellphone, I use ColorNote, it is fast, and syncs to the cloud.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... note&hl=en

I use it for grocery lists, oil change schedules on our cars, a wish list for the next time I visit Lowes or Home Depot...

I keep my blood pressure and other medical stuff there handy for a doctor to review

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