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Re: LTS Kernel 5.10 and Mint 20(+) query

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Kadaitcha Man wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:04 pm
JesseRBassett wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:56 pm I use Kernel 5.10 on Mint 20.10. It works just fine and I personally have not noticed issues regarding performance. In fact it makes my Mint faster I think.
For a speed difference to be noticeable to the human eye, the difference needs to be in the order of 25% or more.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03194764
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 413.ref046
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8912002830

I have seen no such difference in speed between kernel 5.4, 5.8 and 5.10-oem. What I have seen is better support for my system's hardware, resulting in fewer dmesg errors and more accurate sensor reporting. If kernel 5.10 did offer a 25%+ perceptible increase then it would be splattered all over the news and people would be flocking to it in droves. I also see no such thing occurring.

As for what I think, I think opinion has no place in technical support unless a question necessarily implies that only an opinion is possible.

I disagree. In my experience with Linux Mint 20.10, the newest linux kernel IS making my pc faster. I would kill to have Windows 10 work as fast on my desktop as Mint 20.1 is with the latest kernel. Just based off of experience of course.
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Tell that to the scientists who wrote the peer reviewed papers that were cited.
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I am not here to argue the point...I am just stating that there is something to be said of experience too.
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JesseRBassett wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:28 pm
Kadaitcha Man wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:04 pm
JesseRBassett wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:56 pm I use Kernel 5.10 on Mint 20.10. It works just fine and I personally have not noticed issues regarding performance. In fact it makes my Mint faster I think.
For a speed difference to be noticeable to the human eye, the difference needs to be in the order of 25% or more.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/BF03194764
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 413.ref046
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 8912002830

I have seen no such difference in speed between kernel 5.4, 5.8 and 5.10-oem. What I have seen is better support for my system's hardware, resulting in fewer dmesg errors and more accurate sensor reporting. If kernel 5.10 did offer a 25%+ perceptible increase then it would be splattered all over the news and people would be flocking to it in droves. I also see no such thing occurring.

As for what I think, I think opinion has no place in technical support unless a question necessarily implies that only an opinion is possible.

I disagree. In my experience with Linux Mint 20.10, the newest linux kernel IS making my pc faster. I would kill to have Windows 10 work as fast on my desktop as Mint 20.1 is with the latest kernel. Just based off of experience of course.
On my System 76 laptops, they are smoother, and more responsive with the 5.8 vice the 5.4 series. YMMV.
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I wonder what Kernel will get used in Mint 21?
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Kadaitcha Man wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:30 pm Tell that to the scientists who wrote the peer reviewed papers that were cited.
The fallacy in your argument is that it's a false comparison. There are many ways a kernel can improve performance other than as a pure percentage increase in "short presentation times". You can perceive a difference in a 50 second boot over a 60 second boot. You can perceive a difference in a 9 minute file transfer over a 10 minute transfer. Your cited articles are dealing with perception of events that range in the few hundred msec range. The poster said nothing to suggest that this is where they "perceived" a performance improvement.

And even if your cited articles were applicable, I can recite recent examples where display performance itself was dramatically increased over previous kernel versions for certain hardware configurations. So, even if we were to accept your artificially limited definition of the problem, you could still be completely wrong for some significant percentage of configurations out there.

Example: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... 2018&num=1

In short, you might not want to paint the world with such a broad brush going forward and you might not want to make arguments from authority based on inapplicable research.
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pilotbob42 wrote: Tue May 04, 2021 11:35 pm In short, you might not want to paint the world with such a broad brush going forward ...
I will paint the world any way I see fit and you will have what you have now, absolutely no say in what I do or do not do.
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Worthwhile to repeat here what I wrote in another thread:

The Canonical Kernel Team PPA contains the 5.11.x by now:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... t.html#ID8
(item 8 )

Tried it, but am underwhelmed. Graphical performance on my laptop with weak AMD graphics was abysmal. Much worse than on the 5.8.x kernel. If this remains the case on this machine, I'll probably continue with the 5.8.x kernel even after its EOL.
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Pjotr wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 4:52 am Worthwhile to repeat here what I wrote in another thread:

The Canonical Kernel Team PPA contains the 5.11.x by now:
https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.c ... t.html#ID8
(item 8 )

Tried it, but am underwhelmed. Graphical performance on my laptop with weak AMD graphics was abysmal. Much worse than on the 5.8.x kernel. If this remains the case on this machine, I'll probably continue with the 5.8.x kernel even after its EOL.
How did you measure the graphical performance? I have 2 machines with A8 and Ryzen 3500u processors.
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deepakdeshp wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 8:18 am How did you measure the graphical performance? I have 2 machines with A8 and Ryzen 3500u processors.
No scientific test, just trying to view some YouTube videos....
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A Google search for you testing led me to
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cyberc ... -commands/
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Kadaitcha Man wrote: Wed May 05, 2021 12:44 amI will paint the world any way I see fit and you will have what you have now, absolutely no say in what I do or do not do.
You are, of course, free to be narrow-minded and wrong.
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Any advantages to the 5.11 Kernel?
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Never mind, I loaded it on the Darter Pro, and have some issues with shut down. I'll wait for the next LTS kernel.
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Pretty poor from Linux Mint to not allow the latest 5.10 LTS kernel. For my intel drivers (graphical and hardware acceleration) to work I need to install the 5.11 latest kernel.

I’ve decided to go to ElementaryOS as it works right out of the box and no problems with drivers and they use the LTS 5.10

Maybe I’ll be back when mint allows 5.10 kernel in the update manager
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ApexWithin wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:03 am Pretty poor from Linux Mint to not allow the latest 5.10 LTS kernel. For my intel drivers (graphical and hardware acceleration) to work I need to install the 5.11 latest kernel.

I’ve decided to go to ElementaryOS as it works right out of the box and no problems with drivers and they use the LTS 5.10

Maybe I’ll be back when mint allows 5.10 kernel in the update manager
I’ll wait for the devs on this one for now. But I look forward to it.
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What are we going to see in Mint 20.3? Will it have Kernel 5.10 or 5.14? I for one would like to see 5.10 if possible.
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5.14 is working great under Manjaro on the old Darter Pro, would it be possible/prudent to install it on my Mint 20.2 Lemur Pro? It seems to work great and I have had no issues, and there is non of the slow shutdown I have with the 5.11 Kernel.
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MurphCID wrote: Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:39 am 5.14 is working great under Manjaro on the old Darter Pro, would it be possible/prudent to install it on my Mint 20.2
it's possible
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JesseRBassett wrote: Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:32 pm I am not here to argue the point...I am just stating that there is something to be said of experience too.
There's also something to be said for confirmation bias.
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