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While I was browsing through linux mint sponsors, I found that there are 5 sponsors from casinos.
I know open source software needs monetization but can we stick to clean money please? casinos are basically stealing that is legal but completely unethical and contributes to destruction of lives of lots of people. Making money from people suffering doesn't seem right.

This is just my opinion, you may agree with me or not, but please stay respectful :)

edit: Seems that I am alone in this, most people are ok with it.
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Contributing to Linux Mint is entirely a personal choice. If the Mint team didn't have casinos contributing but had alcohol distilleries as sponsors would you still feel the same way? Alcohol is a "legal" drug.
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Larry78723 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:32 am Contributing to Linux Mint is entirely a personal choice. If the Mint team didn't have casinos contributing but had alcohol distilleries as sponsors would you still feel the same way? Alcohol is a "legal" drug.
I was checking if some ethics are being taken into consideration while accepting sponsors...
You are free to disagree.
Yes alcohol is bad too and I would not accept it either :)
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While I disagree with your position, I respect it.
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TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:26 am While I was browsing through linux mint sponsors, I found that there are 5 sponsors from casinos.
This really made me feel disgusted. I know open source software needs monetization but can we stick to clean money please? casinos are basically stealing that is legal but completely unethical and contributes to destruction of lives of lots of people.

Some people may see this as ok, but for me, this is very bad ethically.
I think the mint team should not accept monetization from such sources.
This is just my opinion, you may agree with me or not, but please stay respectful :)
I would rather the casinos give their money to Linux distros than Microsoft.
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I think the mint team should not accept monetization from such sources.
Are you willing to make up the shortfall if mint decided to adopt your ethical stance?

Put your money where your mouth is.
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AndyMH wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:38 am
Put your money where your mouth is.
I didn't understand this part.
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Gambling is something people love doing. Casinos are only a service here and they are paying a lot of tax money.
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t42 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:12 am Gambling is something people love doing. Casinos are only a service here and they are paying a lot of tax money.
Well I will never understand these people, but it seems that most people are okay with it.
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TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:26 am I know open source software needs monetization but can we stick to clean money please?
The phrase "clean money" is very subjective. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:26 am casinos are basically stealing that is legal but completely unethical and contributes to destruction of lives of lots of people.
Let's look at this from a psychological perspective. Would those people's lives be destroyed if they woke today and refused to ever go into a casino again?
People are destroyed by the choices they make.. it's not the fault of the casinos.

TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:26 am This is just my opinion, you may agree with me or not, but please stay respectful :)
I think I was both respectful and educational :D
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revmacian wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:27 am
TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:26 am While I was browsing through linux mint sponsors, I found that there are 5 sponsors from casinos.
This really made me feel disgusted. I know open source software needs monetization but can we stick to clean money please? casinos are basically stealing that is legal but completely unethical and contributes to destruction of lives of lots of people.

Some people may see this as ok, but for me, this is very bad ethically.
I think the mint team should not accept monetization from such sources.
This is just my opinion, you may agree with me or not, but please stay respectful :)
I would rather the casinos give their money to Linux distros than Microsoft.
Amen for that!! Besides, it's not like the casinos are sticking guns to men and women's privates and demand they gamble. It's overall no different than buying scratch off lotto tickets at a gas station if you want to get technical. I don't do it, but that doesn't mean I don't understand that such things have brought massive money to the state. If some of that money goes to Linux dev teams like Mint, bring it..because all that means is that is it one more source of income for the Mint team....and one more reason why they are able to keep this wonderful project going and keeping me the hell away from winwoes
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If it bothers you that much, don't use Mint.

I don't think a distro the size of Mint (it's a lot smaller than many users here think) can afford to be that fussy about sponsors.
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revmacian wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:23 am Let's look at this from a psychological perspective. Would those people's lives be destroyed if they woke today and refused to ever go into a casino again?
People are destroyed by the choices they make.. it's not the fault of the casinos.
Thanks for your opinion (and being respectful).
Yes it is the person's fault of destroying his life, but it doesn't feel ok to benefit from people destroying their lifes due to bad decisions. That is my whole point.
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Hoser Rob wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:28 am If it bothers you that much, don't use Mint.

I don't think a distro the size of Mint (it's a lot smaller than many users here think) can afford to be that fussy about sponsors.
They are just 5 out of about a hundred without mentioning donations. I think it won't make that much of a difference.
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TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:08 am
Hoser Rob wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:28 am If it bothers you that much, don't use Mint.

I don't think a distro the size of Mint (it's a lot smaller than many users here think) can afford to be that fussy about sponsors.
They are just 5 out of about a hundred without mentioning donations. I think it won't make that much of a difference.
This seems to be a matter of ethics with you. Let's talk about that, shall we? You want the Mint project to accept only "clean money", refusing casino money as it is unethical. Isn't it also equally unethical for you, someone not associated with the project, to attempt to control where the Mint project derives its funds?

And, yes, I always ask the difficult questions because it makes people think. The difference between ignorance and intelligence.. is thinking.
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revmacian wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:17 am
TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:08 am
Hoser Rob wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:28 am If it bothers you that much, don't use Mint.

I don't think a distro the size of Mint (it's a lot smaller than many users here think) can afford to be that fussy about sponsors.
They are just 5 out of about a hundred without mentioning donations. I think it won't make that much of a difference.
This seems to be a matter of ethics with you. Let's talk about that, shall we? You want the Mint project to accept only "clean money", refusing casino money as it is unethical. Isn't it also equally unethical for you, someone not associated with the project, to attempt to control where the Mint project derives its funds?

And, yes, I always ask the difficult questions because it makes people think. The difference between ignorance and intelligence.. is thinking.
I am not controlling by any means the source of money, I am just giving my opinion on the matter. It is a matter of ethics and giving advice is allowed right? Everyone is free to agree or not. And I made it clear in my first post.
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Are your principles are so vital to you that you will cease using an operating system derived from "dirty" money?
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cliffcoggin wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:31 pm Are your principles are so vital to you that you will cease using an operating system derived from "dirty" money?
This will stop me from contributing (I am C a developer, soon I will learn Python and GTK+, I was planning to contribute to mint), but I will keep using it because it is a free open source project, or probably switch to Pop OS, I hesitate between these 2 distros.

Seems that no one care about money source as long as it is legal, even if it comes from people suffering...
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TD15 wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:36 pm
cliffcoggin wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:31 pm Are your principles are so vital to you that you will cease using an operating system derived from "dirty" money?
This will stop me from contributing (I am C a developer, soon I will learn Python and GTK+, I was planning to contribute to mint), but I will keep using it because it is a free open source project, or probably switch to Pop OS, I hesitate between these 2 distros.

Seems that no one care about money source as long as it is legal, even if it comes from people suffering...
Those people you think are "suffering" could end what they're doing anytime they want and simply walk away. I know many people who frequent gambling establishments, they call it "entertainment". Keep in mind that you could be rallying around people who don't want any part of your belief system.
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revmacian wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:49 pm Keep in mind that you could be rallying around people who don't want any part of your belief system.
Ok then given that no one agrees with me I will stop arguing with anyone here on this matter and just stick to asking technical questions if necessary.
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