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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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viking777 wrote:
What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?
Their virus support.

It is absolutely terrible. I have been using it for years and I haven't been able to pick up a single one.
You haven't tried hard enough then. :P All you have to do is to learn to use some of the unsafe habits Windows users have and you may pick up a virus soon enough. ;)

E.g. A month or two ago, there was all that hype about a Linux-compatible trojan discovered in the Linux version of the Unreal IRC server...you see, if you download stuff from untrusted/unsecured sources, and install them without checking hash files at least, you're bound to eventually pick up something nasty. It's just that you'll get a virus much quicker in WIndows than in Linux with these sort of habits. And even if you don't get viruses, you always have to worry about potential bugs in software that you're using. If you regularly read through Ubuntu's security notices (somewhat similar to Microsoft's own security bulletins), you'll often see packages of various software patched for some serious things, e.g. denial of service attacks, privilege escalation, that sort of stuff. Linux's "virus support" isn't terrible, it's just that the average Linux user is a tad bit more savvy than their WIndows counterpart. :P
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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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vincent wrote:
rfraser3 wrote:OK - thanks for that and I more or less understand it.
My particular issue is that I am using a netbook with no CD or DVD drive so I have to download to another system, burn the iso and then "borrow" the drive. No great problem though!
You could install Mint onto a USB drive with USB Startup disk creator/Unetbootin, instead of burning the .iso to a CD.
That sounds like a plan - thanks :)
Will give it a go when I get some time to play.

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You miss the point that we're where we are today because people shared their knowledge of how to do things. It's been at times in history where knowledge was kept locked up and known by only a select few that virtually no progress was made, and people lived in ignorance.
Inadvertently, you answered (or rather refuted) your own argument: ". . . people shared their knowledge of how to do things".

Software is a product, made by using the tools (knowledge) that were acquired through the learning process that may well have been freely shared. The patent system protects the developers of products so that they may anticipate monetary benefits from the distribution of their product. The software developer's tools (programming languages and computers) are materially no different from the pliers and vacuum chambers that Edison used to develop the incandescent electric light. He patented his inventions, and enjoyed the riches they brought.

You are equating software with knowledge, and it is not. It is the product of knowledge, tools, and imagination. So was the phonograph.

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waldo wrote:
Midnighter wrote:
You miss the point that we're where we are today because people shared their knowledge of how to do things. It's been at times in history where knowledge was kept locked up and known by only a select few that virtually no progress was made, and people lived in ignorance.
Inadvertently, you answered (or rather refuted) your own argument: ". . . people shared their knowledge of how to do things".

Software is a product, made by using the tools (knowledge) that were acquired through the learning process that may well have been freely shared. The patent system protects the developers of products so that they may anticipate monetary benefits from the distribution of their product. The software developer's tools (programming languages and computers) are materially no different from the pliers and vacuum chambers that Edison used to develop the incandescent electric light. He patented his inventions, and enjoyed the riches they brought.

You are equating software with knowledge, and it is not. It is the product of knowledge, tools, and imagination. So was the phonograph.

/facepalm

Are you deliberately being obtuse? I did not refute anything. And your "argument" is self-contradictory.

"You are equating software with knowledge, and it is not. It is the product of knowledge, tools, and imagination. So was the phonograph.". You fail badly at this. I was not equating it with anything, I was demonstrating with an example at the most basic level so anyone could follow, but apparently it was too far beyond you.And your follow-on example is a false counter. Most software is made by building in ideas that came before, nothing is built in a vaccum. No software created purely from scratch, no matter what they may tell themselves, it was all built on ideas from before, all given spark from something else that made them take a certain path. Tools were in turn developed thru acquired knowledge and imagination. They aren't a separate thing, they're the spawn of the other. Software is a combination of ideas. You like calling it a product to try and support your argument, but in reality, it's nothing more than ideas. It's nothing tangible.

And software patents are not needed, despite what some like to tell themselves, it's why some countries refuse to allow or acknowledge them. The copyright system serves perfectly well for that need, patents were never intended to be applied to such things. Do try and know what you're talking about, instead of just making shit up.
If you accept - and I do - that freedom of speech is important, then you are going to have to defend the indefensible. That means you are going to be defending the right of people to read, or to write, or to say, what you don't say or like or want said.

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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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Nothing actually, I love running into a problem in Linux because I learn something new every time trying to solve it

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To be honest I can't fault it.
I've been using Windows on computers for as long as I can remember and this is the perfect distro to make the switch to Linux with.
Like the way it has a similar layout to Windows but the functionality of Linux so you can ease into using Linux at your own pace.

It has the essential programs, not too much, not too little.
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I used M$ windows since Win95. I never really had significant problems with it. Every now and then I tried to learn how to use linux. I always failed, even though I have strong IT background. My last linux try was ubuntu in Dec. 2009. I had good experience, and I used it at work and at home alongside with windows for while.

Then I found linux mint, and guess what?

I gave up ubuntu and windows at home, and kept mint only. I had some minor issues with HW, and I was reluctant to give up windows at first. When I realized, I did not boot windows for multiple weeks I told myself there is nothing to fear, I gave it up, and I believe I decided correctly.

I would say, there is not really much of a difference I have seen between ubuntu and mint. Never the less, I just like mint a slight bit more.

Great job!!! Thank you for providing OS like mint!!!

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Verix wrote:Well hardware compatibility is a given, but it's more of a manufacturers' fault and their lack of support for Linux. For me, it's the lack of automatic major updates for Firefox and other applications.
I voted default theme.

I get automatic updates for all of my installed applications then download and update but if you are referring to in the background I would not like that. I like to see the list of apps that will get updated..

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vincent wrote:You haven't tried hard enough then. :P All you have to do is to learn to use some of the unsafe habits Windows users have and you may pick up a virus soon enough. ;)
Every time I click on a keygen.exe file, nothing happens. :wink:

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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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except the problem linux has in general about hardware support. everything works nice. theme is awesome. although i would considering chaning some default applications to others.
(i am NOT part of the gizmodo team or related to them, just before anyone askes;) )

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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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Grub2 **** I don't understand why the legacy grub was "booted" out. I have had nothing but grief with duel booting 'Linux' distros that have different boot loaders. can't do much with grub2. I say kick grub2 to the curb!

Linux Mint is the BEST of all computer, I don't know, what do you call these things? 'Graphical Computer
Tell Them What To Doers' or gcttwtd for short?

Grub2 is not Linux Mint anyway. :wink:

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colyn wrote:I voted default theme.
I'm not particularly fond of the green and gray theme, but my problem is that they have embedded it so far into the UI that it was just too much trouble to tweak it to my satisfaction. From my perspective, Ubuntu is more malleable than Mint. I didn't like the dark theme and window buttons on the left in 10.04 either, but it was easier to tweak Ubuntu to my liking than Mint. Other than that, there's not all that much difference between the two under the surface, and people should go with what feels best.

My personal theory is that people coming from a Windows worldview will be more comfortable with Mint; those coming from Mac will be happier with Ubuntu -- especially with 10.04.

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libssd wrote:My personal theory is that people coming from a Windows worldview will be more comfortable with Mint; those coming from Mac will be happier with Ubuntu -- especially with 10.04.
I've never seen a Mac fanatic jump ship to Linux. They are generally "Once you go Mac, you don't go back." They enjoy the whiteness of Mac and it's restricted environment.

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Re: What are you most dissatisfied with in Linux Mint?

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No community involvement in testing, not even virtual testing.

NB. Virtual Testing = Send out alpha, beta and release candidiate iso's, set up forum topic something like 'testing version bug reports' then ignore everything that is written there. It is the model that most distros use, but it gives the illusion of involvement. On the other hand, amongst the inevitable dross that will accumulate on such a forum topic you might actually find something useful there, you never know?
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viking777 wrote:No community involvement in testing, not even virtual testing.

NB. Virtual Testing = Send out alpha, beta and release candidiate iso's, set up forum topic something like 'testing version bug reports' then ignore everything that is written there. It is the model that most distros use, but it gives the illusion of involvement. On the other hand, amongst the inevitable dross that will accumulate on such a forum topic you might actually find something useful there, you never know?
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:?: ... I've seen Mint RCs and betas released in the past - I even have one such burned ISO with me right now. Are you perhaps referring to the community editions? (Or what USED TO BE community editions?) Anyway, we'll see what you two say in October/November. :twisted:

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tdockery97 wrote:
viking777 wrote:No community involvement in testing, not even virtual testing.

NB. Virtual Testing = Send out alpha, beta and release candidiate iso's, set up forum topic something like 'testing version bug reports' then ignore everything that is written there. It is the model that most distros use, but it gives the illusion of involvement. On the other hand, amongst the inevitable dross that will accumulate on such a forum topic you might actually find something useful there, you never know?
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Suspend not working. I've been told that's more of an Ubuntu problem, but it needs to be fixed by someone.
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I'm new to it all.............Ten years and lots of money with window's, 1 month with Zorin (which I did enjoy and had lot's of fun with) and going on 2 month's with Mint and still having a blast. My system is great. Besides, There's lot of excellent questions here and G R E A T Pros helping

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my only problem is non availability of updates for software.

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