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I am curious about everyone's opinion on a Rolling distribution like Debian VS. a 6 month release like Ubuntu. What are some previous problems that have occurred with one type over the other? Why do you prefer one over the other? I am trying to decide if I want to use Linux Mint Debian or Linux Mint Julia (the newest version of Mint being released in November). I have been using Linux Mint Isadora since May and like it a lot. I wanna try something new.
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I haven't used a Rolling release distro yet, however, the way I understand it the downside is that system breakage can occur. With 6 month releases the packages have been tested and confirmed not to break your system unless you've done something yourself, like updating parts of it from another source.
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Either scheme can work so its more of a question of user expectation and how well the devs and maintainers do their job.
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With Debian, Ubuntu, and Mint, you don't really have to go along with the "rolling release" model (which Debian Testing is close to) OR the 6-month release cycle.

I use Debian Stable, which is not a rolling release. With Ubuntu and Mint, I stick with the LTS versions.

As for LMDE, which is based on Testing, well, many Testing users will tell you that breakage doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

But most Debian Testing users will tell you that Testing is a lot more "stable" and "bug-free" than what you get by following Ubuntu's 6-month release cycle; LMDE should be, too.
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I have used both. Many will tell you there is greater potential for a rolling release distro to cause breakage, but I found in my personal experience with PCLinuxOS that rarely did anything break. It usually comes down to how thorough the distro is maintained and tested before those updates are released. In that particular distro they test them, then release them to be tested by a select group of users for a few days. This enables them to catch any glitches before they hit the masses. In general this works well and the only issues I found were with KDE upgrades to 4.4 and 4.5 when KDE itself had upstream issues. In general the experience seemed no different than Ubuntu or Mint.

Anyone who has used Ubuntu or Mint for any amount of time well knows breakages occur even within a set release distro. So to me it's just a matter of which you want. I don't really care either way as long as it works and is well supported. I have had a good experience in both scenarios so I cannot say one is superior. But I'm also not one to stick to a LTS for the full 3 years because I do want to stay a bit more current on things so I tend to stray at the 6-12 month point. As long as it can be fixed I'm fine with either! :)
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I prefer a rolling release, as it tends to keep more up-to-date for application sets/packages, and doesn't cause many problems, that I have come across, although sometimes a patch or wait is necessary to fix a problem
--or you can simply in the Debian way use the previous installed kernel (if a kernel change was the problem)

The main objection I have to Ubuntu style fixed releases, every 6 months, although it could be any period they choose, n ow or in the future is the need of a fresh install, unless I specifically make provisions with my application set and /home data to safeguard
--for that purpose, I see a rolling release as the superior method..
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Excellent point. I remember kernel 2.6.33.4 came out for PCLOS and I could not operate on it. But a quick reversion to the previous kernel and I was up and running. I just waited till 2.6.33.5 and deleted .4.
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it depends on you

if all your software run in LMDE then I think LMDE would be better for you, it is light and stable
the up coming mint 10 is quite heavy compare to LMDE but stunning pretty

I'm forced to use Mint RC now, cause I need mysql workbench, which doesnt run in LMDE (only very old version can run)

Personally if workbench works in LMDE then I would stay there, cause it is lighter, the temperature is also a bit cooler, which is better for my laptop.
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I also prefer a rolling release

the new LMDE comes out December
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Hi,

I am well satisfied with LMDE and hope the distro will eventually replace MInt cycles linked to Ubuntu. Debian is superior.

I reinstalled, for a fresh second go after playing around with the first install.. By doing this I knew exactly how to rectify any problems I came across and this second install is just magic! So far nothing broken, extremly light and fast - what more could anyone want!

To protect the install just use Clonezilla image backups regularly.

If this is just an experiment, my comments would be very, very successful.

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MALsPa wrote:I use Debian Stable, which is not a rolling release. With Ubuntu and Mint, I stick with the LTS versions.
A whole lot of people say that they use "Debian Stable." But what do they mean? Do they mean that their sources.list is directed toward "Lenny" or "Squeeze?" Or do they mean that their sources.list is directed toward "Stable?" According to the website that I saw, packages travel in this order: "Sid" -> "Testing" -> "Stable" -> "Lenny" / "Squeeze" / etc.. As long as you are set to "Stable" all packages should travel through to you before they get to "Squeeze" and before they get to the next release after "Squeeze."

Here is the webpage I found that describes the course of packages as they travel through to final release: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repos ... tory-howto

Is my understanding of the map flawed? I believe that "dists" means "Lenny," "Squeeze," etc.. Is that correct?
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guimaster wrote:
MALsPa wrote:I use Debian Stable, which is not a rolling release. With Ubuntu and Mint, I stick with the LTS versions.
A whole lot of people say that they use "Debian Stable." But what do they mean? Do they mean that their sources.list is directed toward "Lenny" or "Squeeze?" Or do they mean that their sources.list is directed toward "Stable?" According to the website that I saw, packages travel in this order: "Sid" -> "Testing" -> "Stable" -> "Lenny" / "Squeeze" / etc.. As long as you are set to "Stable" all packages should travel through to you before they get to "Squeeze" and before they get to the next release after "Squeeze."

Here is the webpage I found that describes the course of packages as they travel through to final release: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repos ... tory-howto
Yeah, if your sources point to "stable," you'll be updating to the next version whenever it moves to "stable" -- "rolling" into it. I personally choose to reinstall at that point instead, and keep my sources pointing to the version name -- "squeeze" instead of "stable," for example. Did the same with Etch and Lenny.
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Howdy,



Look's like Ubuntu's headed toward the "rolling-release" paradigm in the near future, as well:

Personally, I'm not a fan of rolling-releases. There's too much chance that a given application feature update will break integration with other apps, or that a library (Linux's equivalent to a Windows DLL) update will break a multitude of apps, because it becomes impossible to code against a consistent baseline; there's almost no guarantee that a particular user will have applications or support code versions that fall within an "acceptable range."


To me, the preferred method would be to stick to the 6-month release cycle, and then provide a way to search through and add PPAs from LaunchPad within the Software Center. This would allow users to test bleeding-edge applications, while retaining the ability for the users to revert to the "official" packages if things go awry...



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Lumenary wrote:Personally, I'm not a fan of rolling-releases.
Me either, but I'm also not a fan of the 6-month release cycle. I'd prefer to see Ubuntu (and Mint) go a year between releases.
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MALsPa wrote:
Lumenary wrote:Personally, I'm not a fan of rolling-releases.
Me either, but I'm also not a fan of the 6-month release cycle. I'd prefer to see Ubuntu (and Mint) go a year between releases.
I agree. A year provides time to accomplish all that is needed in the next release, and the time to do it right so that we users aren't fighting bugs.
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I'm actually good with either as I am running LMDE and Mint 9 on different laptops as well as a couple of other distros. I do however think that stretching the release to a year in between would help with giving more time to testing and development but I am just another guy who likes to play...
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