What audio player you prefer as default for Mint 5.0 (Poll)

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What music player do you want as default for Linux Mint 5.0

AmaroK
53
22%
Songbird
16
7%
Banshee
22
9%
Exaile
56
23%
Rhythmbox
40
17%
Other
52
22%
 
Total votes: 239

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Re: What audio player you prefer as default for Mint 5.0 (Poll)

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belovedmonster wrote:One thing at the back of mind though is what about Amarok 2? That will be out by the time Mint 5 is ready to go. Shouldn't we wait until that is out before we decide we don't want Amarok anymore?
Let's NOT! :evil:
Let's put Amarok 2 in the <K>DE-edition of Linux Mint instead!!! :)
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I'll give it a go and see if it <K>ixx! 8) :wink:
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Zwopper wrote:I'll give it a go and see if it <K>ixx! 8) :wink:
You really li<K>e that use of '<K>'s. ;)
Seems like exaile is really good. I might as well try it out. I'm using songbird 0.3 at the moment. Songbird 0.4 came out recently.

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I will also like people to look at this post and vote for it as well ( http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=8113 ) . The post/poll is about an app called Miro. I appreciate all the posts you people have made on this poll.

Cheers, (I hope everyone has a Happy New Year)
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Kynan wrote:Go Exaile! :D i love it, simple, elegant just like mint, works fine and doesn't crash randomly, lovely bunch of plugins and best of all fits nicely with the gnome gtk theme.. what more do you need?

i have made a mint file for the latest version 0.2.11 replacing 0.2.10 (the new plugins are very useful)
link to mint file: http://www.box.net/shared/v0nzbc49bj
I tried your Mint file and it wouldnt play my songs I had ripped in iTunes (no DRM but in M4a format), where as the official Mint software portal version played them fine. Can you address this?

Also, is there a way to clear the search box after searching your collection? Every other app I've ever used has a button to clear it but Exaile seems to make me have to click in the box, do ctrl + A, then Ctrl + X just to get a blank search box. Not good. What am I missing here?
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My two and a half year old son loves Amarok! That's good enough for me!
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Kynan wrote:for the second question there is a little broom icon down the bottom right corner at the end of the track progress bar, this is the clear button. I usually just click the X on the tab when i'm done with a playlist, it has mostly the same effect (you will see what i mean).
I'm not at my Linux machine at the moment so I cant test this. But are we talking about the same thing?

There are two search bars. One on the left for searching through your collection and one of the bottom right for searching through the tracks in the play list. What I'm saying is there is no broom icon for the search bar on the left. Unless you are telling me that the one broom clears both search fields? This was the one GUI thing that bugged me. I couldn't see a way to clear the left hand side search bar.

It's little GUI things like this which really bug me. Dont get me started on way the Rhythm Box frames work.
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PeteR_V wrote:well thing is AmaroK is the most popular music player for linux today
Maybe, and then? No other player has the right to compete with it? :roll:
PeteR_V wrote:In other words what i see here is no arguments just emotions, Exaile or whatever cant be better as AmaroK
Better or not it does not matter, if it is just equal then there is no interest in using KDE libs instead of the Gnome libs in a Gnome desktop. :D
PeteR_V wrote:which is undeniable slower as AmaroK.
? Exaile slower than AmaroK? Not on my computer in any case. :roll:
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Kynan, this only goes to highlight the wider problem here, which is that all this is very subjective. I personally think not being able to clear the search bar a horrendous oversight which bugs me both in principle and in the way I'd have to deal with it. I mean, why bother adding a clear button for one search bar but not the other? Either a clear button is a needed feature or not, they cant have it both ways. My gut instinct tells me they couldn't think of a way to get the button in a good place for the left hand side search bar so they said to hell with it. Bad bad GUI!
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Kynan wrote:both the search bars for the collection and for the playlist both dont have a clear button because its not needed its just like searching for somthing in google.
Sorry but that is just wrong wrong wrong! :P

When you do a search for a band lets say The Beatles all the other mp3s in your collection disappear. The only way to then be able to browse your other mp3s is to remove the search term. In every other mp3 application I've ever used there is a button to return to seeing all your mp3s, but in Exaile there is not. This means every single time I want to get back to my entire collection after filtering it down from a search I need to move my mouse up to the search bar, highlight the text and then press the delete key. That is just insanely clunky GUI, and that's why every mp3 playing software I've ever used on Windows and Linux has a search clear button.

Now it might well be that for some people this doesn't bother them, or they don't even notice it. But I'm the kinda person who wants to smack programmers around the head and ask them what the hell they were thinking if the GUI isnt up to standard. So this is a big annoyance for me. :twisted: :twisted:
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I'm just glad whatever you guys decide to use as the default media player, that I can remove it if need be to reload Amarok.

It would seem like a shame to remove a media app as developed as Amarok just because it doesn't fit into the 'Gnome' way of thinking and replace it with Exaile or Songbird which are highly lacking in features, although Songbird probably has the features, they're just buried in there somewhere.
Apparently everyone who voted for Exaile as default doesn't own an iPod. If you do what was your magic to get python-gpod installed on Gutsy?

Crap, I couldn't even find the required lib to play cd's with Exaile........are we serious about this over Amarok? /scratches head in confusion. :oops:
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I am totally against AmaroK on Mint after Clem's blog. Apparently AmaroK is 144MB and Rhythmbox is 12.2MB. Imagine what we can do with that space on the CD. We can have Brasero and Miro 1.0 as default and who knows what else we can have in the Mint CD, probably even Compiz. Seems like that Clem wants Rhythmbox instead of Songbird and Exaile. The blog is on here ( http://www.linuxmint.com/blog/?p=121 ).

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Arg!!! I've been using Rhythmbox all morning and I'm finding myself actually starting to like it, quite alot. Especially after turning off the additional browsing frames so it becomes very much like iTunes.

Maybe I will have to change my alliance from Exaile to Rhythmbox?

One thing that is for sure, after reading the blog theres no way we can justify Amarok. As good as it might be it's taking up a stupidly huge amount of the CD.
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belovedmonster wrote:Arg!!! I've been using Rhythmbox all morning and I'm finding myself actually starting to like it, quite alot. Especially after turning off the additional browsing frames so it becomes very much like iTunes.

Maybe I will have to change my alliance from Exaile to Rhythmbox?

One thing that is for sure, after reading the blog theres no way we can justify Amarok. As good as it might be it's taking up a stupidly huge amount of the CD.
I thought you would save 40-60 mb if you take away AmaroK, but 130Mb!!! is crazy. I had to get a bucket of water and pour it on my face to wake me up after a long night during new years to believe it(I was so tired when I looked at the blog so I thought I was dreaming :D). I hope Clem makes the decision to take amaroK away. But I am totally happy with amaroK being the default app for the Mint KDE edition though.

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Hmm....well apt-get install python-cddb worked for the cd issue, not sure why when I searched for it in Synaptic I never found it but anyway.

As for the ipod situation, the lib is python-gpod that Exaile complains about and installing it doesn't seem to be an option, there's a listing for it in Synaptic but it says it's not going to be installed.
Really not worth the effort as Amarok works right out of the box without jumping through hoops but, if Amarok is hogging that much space then by all means dump it.
We can always install it after the fact.
I would really rather put whatever else on CD that's more important, we're all free to choose our own Media player anyway.

Maybe some camera/photo handling software could be included, there's Gimp but I mean something to work with a digital camera.
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subslug wrote:Hmm....well apt-get install python-cddb worked for the cd issue, not sure why when I searched for it in Synaptic I never found it but anyway.

As for the ipod situation, the lib is python-gpod that Exaile complains about and installing it doesn't seem to be an option, there's a listing for it in Synaptic but it says it's not going to be installed.
Really not worth the effort as Amarok works right out of the box without jumping through hoops but, if Amarok is hogging that much space then by all means dump it.
We can always install it after the fact.
I would really rather put whatever else on CD that's more important, we're all free to choose our own Media player anyway.

Maybe some camera/photo handling software could be included, there's Gimp but I mean something to work with a digital camera.
What I think should be installed by default if AmaroK is removed for Mint 5 is:
Deluge - Torrent Client - http://deluge-torrent.org/
Miro - Video Organizer, Youtube/Google video downloader (This app could be great for Linux Mint video tutorials for newbies) - http://www.getmiro.com/
Flock - Web browser based on Firefox, but its better and faster - http://www.flock.com/
Rhythmbox - Everyone knows that one
Brasero - Buring utility, its the best one available in gtk (Great equivalent to K3b) - http://www.gnome.org/projects/brasero/

And thats about it. Mint 5.0 would have a way better 'out of the box' experience if the put these apps in. By the way I think the professional edition for Mint should have Firefox instead of Flock ( After checking what Flock is, you will know why ).

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molom wrote:What I think should be installed by default if AmaroK is removed for Mint 5 is:
Deluge - Torrent Client - http://deluge-torrent.org/
Miro - Video Organizer, Youtube/Google video downloader (This app could be great for Linux Mint video tutorials for newbies) - http://www.getmiro.com/
Flock - Web browser based on Firefox, but its better and faster - http://www.flock.com/
Rhythmbox - Everyone knows that one
Brasero - Buring utility, its the best one available in gtk (Great equivalent to K3b) - http://www.gnome.org/projects/brasero/

And thats about it. Mint 5.0 would have a way better 'out of the box' experience if the put these apps in. By the way I think the professional edition for Mint should have Firefox instead of Flock ( After checking what Flock is, you will know why ).
I totally agree with you on this list except for Flock. You could maybe make an argument for Flock if we were pitching Mint as the hip, media savy linux distro, kinda like the Mac of the Linux world, but Firefox is the one brand name the open source community has and it would kinda suck to remove it. Plus are most people really such hardcore social networking addicts that they would need Flock? Check out this great beginners guide to flock and you will see that unless you are on social networking sites all day long then its not really much use to you.

Plus by the time Mint 5 is out we will all be using Firefox 3 which is gunna be much faster, prettier and have cool new features. The betas are already getting very positive reviews.

But the rest of the list is spot on. I think all those apps would give a much better out of the box experience. I now officially support Rhythmbox and not Exaile. 8)
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belovedmonster wrote:
molom wrote:What I think should be installed by default if AmaroK is removed for Mint 5 is:
Deluge - Torrent Client - http://deluge-torrent.org/
Miro - Video Organizer, Youtube/Google video downloader (This app could be great for Linux Mint video tutorials for newbies) - http://www.getmiro.com/
Flock - Web browser based on Firefox, but its better and faster - http://www.flock.com/
Rhythmbox - Everyone knows that one
Brasero - Buring utility, its the best one available in gtk (Great equivalent to K3b) - http://www.gnome.org/projects/brasero/

And thats about it. Mint 5.0 would have a way better 'out of the box' experience if the put these apps in. By the way I think the professional edition for Mint should have Firefox instead of Flock ( After checking what Flock is, you will know why ).
I totally agree with you on this list except for Flock. You could maybe make an argument for Flock if we were pitching Mint as the hip, media savy linux distro, kinda like the Mac of the Linux world, but Firefox is the one brand name the open source community has and it would kinda suck to remove it. Plus are most people really such hardcore social networking addicts that they would need Flock? Check out this great beginners guide to flock and you will see that unless you are on social networking sites all day long then its not really much use to you.

Plus by the time Mint 5 is out we will all be using Firefox 3 which is gunna be much faster, prettier and have cool new features. The betas are already getting very positive reviews.

But the rest of the list is spot on. I think all those apps would give a much better out of the box experience. I now officially support Rhythmbox and not Exaile. 8)
I know what you mean about flock. I was thinking that Firefox gives much more of an image anyway, so I don't find it much of a big deal if Firefox is still the main app. But I really want to maintain the Mint Miro project if there is going to be one. I could say what tutorials we need, but I can't do any speaking for the video tutorials because my voice is a little to deep to make people learn :D.

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Yes Rythmbox is a good player, perfect for the newbies as I said in a earlier post above, sorry to talk about it yet :wink:, but what about QuodLibet? Have you tried it?
Again:
QuodLibet with all it’s tagging goodness, it’s “album view” media library is the best gnome app for heavy use.

Also it included many plugins...
Nobody spoke here about it, nobody knows? It’s surprising, it's a great app… :roll:
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belovedmonster wrote:
But the rest of the list is spot on. I think all those apps would give a much better out of the box experience. I now officially support Rhythmbox and not Exaile. 8)
I agree with you, I change my vote to Rhythmbox as well. I've always found it to be perfectly capable and it's a lot less confusing as Amarok and Songbird for the newbs.

We have to stick with Firefox though, isn't that a Linux rule or something? :lol: It always beats me down when I do a Kubuntu install and realize they didn't bother to add Firefox....I mean Konqueror is fine but come on. Where's the love.
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