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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by rick gen » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:05 pm

Moem wrote:What do you mean by this?
That question has an intimidating feel in it, especially when the words, "Enhanced by Google" are very visible on the right side of the search box of the Startpage home page. If those are not traces of Google, I don't know what is. I may be wrong and I stand corrected.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by Moem » Sun Jun 11, 2017 5:38 pm

rick gen wrote:
Moem wrote:What do you mean by this?
That question has an intimidating feel in it
Sorry, it wasn't meant to. It's a genuine question, born from curiosity.
rick gen wrote:especially when the words, "Enhanced by Google" are very visible on the right side of the search box of the Startpage home page. If those are not traces of Google, I don't know what is.
Well, Startpage is anonymised Google, so if that's what you mean then you're not wrong. The 'anonymised' part is what makes it acceptable to me, and in fact: attractive.

I don't mind getting a bit of Google... I just don't want Google getting a bit of me. :wink:
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by Lazar » Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:07 am

I used @dukgo.com XMPP account, but they disabled that service. That is shame.
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by KBD47 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:17 am

In the past duckduckgo seemed lacking, but been using it again recently and I'm almost always satisfied with the results. I rarely use google search now. If anyone balked at duckduckgo in the past they should give it another try.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by rick gen » Sat Jun 17, 2017 11:55 am

KBD47 wrote:In the past duckduckgo seemed lacking, but been using it again recently and I'm almost always satisfied with the results. I rarely use google search now. If anyone balked at duckduckgo in the past they should give it another try.
I concur. It's been giving me all the results I want.
People need to start moving away from the clutches of Google.
If there's a better alternative than DDG, I'll go for it.
I do hope some enterprising open source people would step up and offer safer alternatives.
I'm sure people would gladly offer donation to such project people would surely care about.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by KBD47 » Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:13 pm

rick gen wrote: I concur. It's been giving me all the results I want.
People need to start moving away from the clutches of Google.
If there's a better alternative than DDG, I'll go for it.
I do hope some enterprising open source people would step up and offer safer alternatives.
I'm sure people would gladly offer donation to such project people would surely care about.
I would love to see Google have more competition. Search is a big one as few things are as important privacy wise as the things you look up and want to know about revealing your interests, likes and dislikes. That is a lot of powerful information Google has on everyone who uses search. They could quickly put together a profile on you based upon searches over a period of time.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by killer de bug » Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:57 am

I use DDG on daily basis since years now. And I love it. Wouldn't do without it.
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by rick gen » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:02 pm

Google will no longer read your emails to tailor ads

http://www.kitv.com/story/35737731/goog ... tailor-ads

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by KBD47 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:36 pm

rick gen wrote:Google will no longer read your emails to tailor ads

http://www.kitv.com/story/35737731/goog ... tailor-ads
Honestly, it is about time. That to me was one of the sleaziest things Google did. I also have Google Voice and it gives you print versions of phone messages and by default Google has it set to scan your messages to 'improve' its service. I removed that option. Under privacy I have removed or turned off most of what Google scans or reads. Love Google services--hate Google snooping :(

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by sphyrth » Sun Jun 25, 2017 8:20 pm

If ever the admins delete my comment, then I understand.

Google no longer reading is a good move. But the same article wisely got Google backed against the wall. It doesn't mean that Google will not store your e-mails for someone else to read.

The "people" who put pressure on Google to invade privacy are still lurking.
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Post by Lysander666 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 6:15 am

sphyrth wrote:If ever the admins delete my comment, then I understand.

Google no longer reading is a good move. But the same article wisely got Google backed against the wall. It doesn't mean that Google will not store your e-mails for someone else to read.

The "people" who put pressure on Google to invade privacy are still lurking.
Totally right. Google makes a huge amount of money from its Gmail service, and it's not about to stop that any time soon. They have likely just changed the way the information from your emails is passed on.

When it comes to Google, any change that happens is most likely not for your good but theirs. They are experts in making money from data, it is their cause. If they were going to stop using data from emails they may as well close the service altogether since it would not be feasible to keep it going.
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by BG405 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:58 am

I wasn't aware of them actually reading emails for advertising purposes until I read the above posts and am shocked, although not entirely surprised. A really good reason NOT to use gmail for anything sensitive or personal.

Also, bear this in mind:
Selena Larson wrote:Google announced the change in a blog post on Friday. It will go into effect later this year.
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When, exactly ..? :roll:
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by rick gen » Mon Jun 26, 2017 12:33 pm

BG405 wrote:I wasn't aware of them actually reading emails for advertising purposes until I read the above posts and am shocked, although not entirely surprised. A really good reason NOT to use gmail for anything sensitive or personal.
Shouldn't be a surprise. It's clearly laid out in their privacy terms.
https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/?fg=1

They have no competition. They can pretty much do anything they want.
Solution is to start supporting others like DuckDuckGo. It's a small start, but at least it's a start.
If there's an open source alternative, please state it here.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by Lysander666 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 1:00 pm

rick gen wrote:
BG405 wrote:I wasn't aware of them actually reading emails for advertising purposes until I read the above posts and am shocked, although not entirely surprised. A really good reason NOT to use gmail for anything sensitive or personal.
Shouldn't be a surprise. It's clearly laid out in their privacy terms.
https://www.google.com/intl/en/policies/privacy/?fg=1

They have no competition. They can pretty much do anything they want.
Solution is to start supporting others like DuckDuckGo. It's a small start, but at least it's a start.
If there's an open source alternative, please state it here.
I personally use Startpage and occasionally Metager as my search engines.

As far as email goes, there are services which respect your privacy like Kolabnow and Protonmail. Both of these are paid-for services, but bear in mind the only reason why Gmail is free is because they are making money from your data.

That's not to say that the services they provide are not excellent - they are. They are first-rate. But this is how companies like Google profit so spectacularly [e.g. Facebook, Amazon], by making their services so good, and so convenient, that no-one wants to go anywhere else. And before long, people won't even be able to think of what their alternatives were.
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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by KBD47 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 3:19 pm

For those who use Chrome you can use the Google Analytics opt out extension to stop some Google snooping:
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/deta ... apmkghcbnh
also recommended: Https Everywhere, Privacy Badger, and Ublock Origin.

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Re: Anyone using DuckDuckGo...

Post by BG405 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 5:12 pm

rick gen wrote:Shouldn't be a surprise. It's clearly laid out in their privacy terms.
Indeed it is, I have read much but not all of them so missed some bits. Surprised I missed that.
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