20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

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20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by JoeFootball » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:02 pm

Noticed we just passed the 20 year mark yesterday. :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by altair4 » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:13 pm

And only 7982 years to go until the Y10K problem.
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by JoeFootball » Sat Jan 20, 2018 1:30 pm

And even if the 64-bit solution is implemented, the overall problem doesn't just disappear...

"At 15:30:08 UTC on Sunday, 4 December 292,277,026,596, 64-bit versions of the Unix time stamp would cease to work, as it will overflow the largest value that can be held in a signed 64-bit number. This is nearly 22 times the estimated current age of the universe, which is 1.37×10^10 years (13.7 billion)."

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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by Pjotr » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:05 pm

We're all going to die! :shock:
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by tenfoot » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:33 pm

Gee! I'll be 107 and still have 4 years to go, because ever since I read The Hobbit I've wanted to hold on until I'm one dub one
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by michael louwe » Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:10 pm

All computers should be running 64bit OS by 2038 = Problem Solved.

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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by all41 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:47 am

Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by Pierre » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:57 am

michael louwe wrote:All computers should be running 64bit OS by 2038 = Problem Solved.
if there is sort of resemblance to Todays Computer(s):
- then they should have surpassed the 128bit level, and therefore should be running 256bits.
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by catweazel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:02 am

all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by all41 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 am

Pierre wrote:
michael louwe wrote:All computers should be running 64bit OS by 2038 = Problem Solved.
if there is sort of resemblance to Todays Computer(s):
- then they should have surpassed the 128bit level, and therefore should be running 256bits.
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by Pierre » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:06 am

catweazel wrote:
all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
nah - - there will be some Die-hards, like myself, still running their First 8bit machine.
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(( is your's still stored in some cupboard, too ))
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by catweazel » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:28 am

Pierre wrote: (( is your's still stored in some cupboard, too ))
:mrgreen:
lol - it was Intel 4004 with 640 bytes of RAM. There are no 4bit OSes today, though there are some two-bit ones :wink:
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by all41 » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:37 am

Pierre wrote:
catweazel wrote:
all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
nah - - there will be some Die-hards, like myself, still running their First 8bit machine.
:lol:
(( is your's still stored in some cupboard, too ))
:mrgreen:
commodore perhaps?
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by michael louwe » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:24 am

@ catweasel, .......
catweazel wrote:
all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
Yes, agree. Then(= in 2038) we should refer the 32bit PC users to this thread.

Since 2012 and Win 8, nearly all new computers come with UEFI technology which requires 64bit OS. But such computers have backward-compatibility for Legacy BIOS technology = can still install 32bit OS.
... Intel has just announced that they will end support for Legacy BIOS compatibility(= no more CSM in UEFI-BIOS settings) by 2020. ... https://fossbytes.com/intel-end-legacy- ... 2020-uefi/ . I think some new Intel-based computers today have already removed Legacy BIOS compatibility support.
... So, by 2038, 99.9% of computers will be running at least 64bit OS.

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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by absque fenestris » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:53 am

catweazel wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:02 am
all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
With a bit of luck - Yes!
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by catweazel » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:10 am

absque fenestris wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:53 am
catweazel wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:02 am
all41 wrote:Perhaps even 128 bit will exist and we will all go beyond
I'm fairly certain there will be 32bit PC users running an ancient 32bit linux in 2038 and asking why dates no longer work.
With a bit of luck - Yes!
However, there is the question of who needs more luck: me or the machine?
Going by your forum nickname, you do. Tu es adhaesit in in fundamentum/vinariam? Ne subitis officia necessarium? :mrgreen:
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by absque fenestris » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:24 am

Tu es adhaesit in in fundamentum/vinariam? Ne subitis officia necessarium?
Bonum vinum - hilari sunt cogitationes. Postulantes gratiam... :mrgreen:
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by catweazel » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:43 am

absque fenestris wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:24 am
Tu es adhaesit in in fundamentum/vinariam? Ne subitis officia necessarium?
Bonum vinum - hilari sunt cogitationes. Postulantes gratiam... :mrgreen:
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by absque fenestris » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:18 am

I learned at a very early age, 11, that I was good at latin. The teacher wrote "Cogitus ergo sum" on the blackboard. I got caned on the hands six times... after having rubbed out the g in cogitus
At the age of 11 you knew what that word means..?

:shock: :shock: :shock:

So - in this innocent age, no, not me! However, I was very interested in those 24-book encyclopaedias. Prefers the book with letter S.
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Re: 20 Years To Go: The Year 2038 Problem

Post by catweazel » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:29 am

absque fenestris wrote:
Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:18 am
I learned at a very early age, 11, that I was good at latin. The teacher wrote "Cogitus ergo sum" on the blackboard. I got caned on the hands six times... after having rubbed out the g in cogitus
At the age of 11 you knew what that word means..?
Aye, lol ...
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