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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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cliffcoggin wrote:
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:56 pm
Unfortunately I have to report that my attempts to install Ubuntu Touch on a Oneplus One phone have been an abject failure
Looks like it wasn't you. Have you seen this?
https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4362/o ... 1453831208
I saw a case recently (last week) for installation in a OnePlueOne with similar symptoms as yours.

We solved it going back to an old version of the installer which was the one I used to install in my OnePlusOne. It is this one:

https://github.com/ubports/ubports-inst ... 0.2.6-beta

This version saw the device immediately and completed the installation without a glitch.
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Yes I saw the other recent threads Moem, thank you. All the ifs and maybes and guesses confirmed my opinion that the installer was too experimental for a novice like me, so my wife has decided she will have the Oneplus One. She is happy to use it as an Android and let Google have all her data.

In its place I ordered a new Nexus 5 with Ubuntu Touch already installed. It arrived today and so far I am very happy with it. I am undecided if I will get a SIM card for it as my principal use will be navigation, and in any case I don't have a phone signal at home. I'll leave that decision for a while.

In the meantime I am playing with it. The camera and web browsing both work, I am assessing ad blocking and two map/navigation applications, I have yet to discover how to print from it.

So far, so good.
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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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It's like we're starting a Coven of Ubuntu Touch users here. :D :lol:
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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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Only two so far.

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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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cliffcoggin wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:42 pm
my wife has decided she will have the Oneplus One.
I'm glad it's not going to waste. And the hardware ain't half bad.
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Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:42 pm
I am assessing ad blocking and two map/navigation applications, I have yet to discover how to print from it.
For navigation, I like Pure Maps combined with Osm Scout Server. If you download the maps you are going to need beforehand, it does not need any data while you're on the go; just start both apps and Pure Maps will use the maps that Osm Scout Server provides.
For systemwide adblocking, uAdBlock is the thing.
I can't help you with regards to the printing; I've never tried that.
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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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Moem wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:08 pm

For navigation, I like Pure Maps combined with Osm Scout Server. If you download the maps you are going to need beforehand, it does not need any data while you're on the go; just start both apps and Pure Maps will use the maps that Osm Scout Server provides.
I've got both Unav and Pure Maps, I prefer the latter. Thanks for the tip about loading maps in advance of a journey.
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Re: First impressions of Ubuntu Touch

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cliffcoggin wrote:
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I ordered a new Nexus 5 with Ubuntu Touch already installed. It arrived today and so far I am very happy with it.
So far, so good.
Hmmm, I didnt know this was available. I am following this thread with much attention, but I am in the category of newbie users, who will stumble at the slightest technical difficulty, so trying to install it myself will be problematic, so I am curious cliffcoggin WHERE you bought this phone with Ubuntu Touch already installed?
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Fortuitously I found it on Ebay while looking for a second hand phone. I can look up the details later if you wish, as I am not at my main computer at the moment.
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Okay Cliffcoggin, I understand that you found a secondhand phone with UT on Ebay. I visited the site and lots of phones with UT are being offered for affordable prices indeed. Nice! By the way, the Pinephone will be released this very summer. Will cost 150 dollars with Ubuntu Touch already installed. I never was a fan of smartphones but with Linux installed I am getting enthusiastic. :D
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No it was a new phone, though listed amongst the secondhand.
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Update! :D

I found out that my cheapie Oneplus One with the cracked glass actually only had a cracked screen protector. That's what the seller said but I didn't believe it, shame on me! So it's actually in fine working order with just some dents in the frame (which are fully hidden by the case I keep the phone in). Nice!
So I decided the stick my SIM card in, and try it out for a while as a daily driver. And it's performing decently enough that I haven't felt the need to switch back yet (it's been almost two weeks, according to the typical UT lock screen.

It's mostly been smooth sailing so far. Some of the apps feel unfinished, such as Axolotl (an inofficial Signal client). But let's be fair, it's in beta.

And today I read this, which sounds exciting, and like good news for getting UT working on a lot more devices pretty soon: https://www.xda-developers.com/ubports- ... id-device/

I do think I'm a fan by now. Oh, and the project / OS has a cute mascot:

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I'm glad it's working out for you Moem. I'll add my experience with a Nexus 5 here as there has been some interest on the forum.

As a phone it does all I want it to in terms of making calls, sending texts, taking photos. It is my first smart phone so I have no idea how it compares to non Linux devices. It has a web browser called Morph that is slow and rather strange, but functional. I have added a ring tone of my choice, and applications like an adblocker, radio player, podcast manager, audio recorder, wifi scanner, plus a few mapping and navigation apps.

My main disappointment is in the mapping and navigation functions. That's not the fault of the phone; it's more that my expectations were too high. For road use it all works well with spoken directions etc, but I already have a dedicated Satnav in the car so the phone is superfluous in that respect. I was hoping to use it off road for cross country hiking, however the available maps are inadequate for that.

Ubuntu Touch has only been extant for nine years and is actively being developed so I expect to see improvements over the next few years. To put it another way, it is has passed the experimental stage, but has yet to reach the maturity of main stream phones.
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To put it another way, it is has passed the experimental stage, but has yet to reach the maturity of main stream phones.
I think that is well stated. This property is what may make it inconvenient or even unusable for some of us, and at the same time more attractive to some people (and I'm sure those groups overlap).
Personally I'm willing to handle a quirk or two, I can afford to use a somewhat unfinished OS, and I enjoy the 'freshness' of it all.
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Well, it's now another two weeks later and I'm still using it. It works well enough that I haven't felt the need to switch back. Now that I'm using data, not wifi, battery life is definitely good enough; two days or so, depending on use. The Telegram app is good; the Signal-compatible app needs more work, but the basics are there.

I don't think I'll be switching back again.
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Well, it's now another two weeks later and I'm still using it. It works well enough that I haven't felt the need to switch back. Now that I'm using data, not wifi, battery life is definitely good enough; two days or so, depending on use. The Telegram app is good; the Signal-compatible app needs more work, but the basics are there.

I don't think I'll be switching back again.
Very cool! Two days of runtime is what I'm getting on my Moto G Power, so the fact you could pull that with a OnePlus One which is now several years old is pretty significant.

I wonder what an employer, which wants their employees to be connected and use certain apps which the company has standardized on, would say if a prospective employee told them "Oh, yeah, my smartphone runs on UT." I'm betting they wouldn't get the job. :wink:
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I wonder what an employer, which wants their employees to be connected and use certain apps which the company has standardized on, would say if a prospective employee told them "Oh, yeah, my smartphone runs on UT." I'm betting they wouldn't get the job. :wink:
Any potential employer who suggested that to me would be told where he could stick his job. I work to live, not live to work.
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One lesson I've learned by working for my present employer: never, ever work for another Canadian company.

Our company wanted us to install a program on our phones called Intune, which they said was to help us be more secure, but it actually is designed to be able to remote monitor and lock down phones. That'd be ok on company phones, but not on privately owned phones. When I discovered that's what the software really was for, I discretely pushed back, and evidently everyone in the chain of command was like "Wait, what is this thing for?" and we've never heard another word about it.

I've been privately thanked by several of my coworkers when they learned I was the one who spoke up, and that's how I've learned just how many folk were actually not in the loop on this.
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:53 pm
I wonder what an employer, which wants their employees to be connected and use certain apps which the company has standardized on, would say if a prospective employee told them "Oh, yeah, my smartphone runs on UT." I'm betting they wouldn't get the job. :wink:
Wouldn't such an employer normally provide the smartphone that's to be used for work, just like other tools? I don't think it's the norm here that people use their own phone for work purposes. But what do I know, I've hardly ever been employed.
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It would be unreasonable for an employer to require one to buy a smartphone to run their apps(s) on. Not just the cost, but the principle. Some of us don't want Google or Apple devices.

Me? I'm very tempted by the Oneplus One. Can the OS be customized to look like Mint? :mrgreen:
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I just saw a review of the Pinephone on youtube. Okay, this Pinephone edition is being launched as a developers edition, but incoming calls dont even work. Battery life of 4 hours max. That's really stretching the boundaries of what isnt possible (yet), even if it is a developers edition. It was one review though, it could have been an incident. The camera function did not work on all the different distributions though.

I expected a bit more from the Pinephone, even from the developers edition. Looking at Moem's success with a secondhand phone, Moem's way seems to be the best way to go if one wants to run Linux on a phone...
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