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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deleted » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:29 pm

deepakdeshp wrote:
Linux os a powerful os . In servers it has a large share and in supercomputers and maiframes itvis a monopoly.

But in desktops and laptops the share isnt even 2%
Those aren't servers.
These are servers:
From 2002:
Wall Street Embraces Linux
From 2008:
Wall Street becoming Linux stronghold
From 2011:
How Linux mastered Wall Street
From 2015:
Can the Internet exist without Linux?
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deepakdeshp » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:21 pm

hinto wrote:
deepakdeshp wrote:
Linux os a powerful os . In servers it has a large share and in supercomputers and maiframes itvis a monopoly.

But in desktops and laptops the share isnt even 2%
Those aren't servers.
These are servers
I would know what are servers as I was a Unix server admin some years ago.☺
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deleted » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:42 pm

I think you missed the point of the links. Those were Linux workstations in the articles I referenced.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deepakdeshp » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:49 pm

hinto wrote:I think you missed the point of the links. Those were Linux workstations in the articles I referenced.
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I am never doubting the capacity of Linux workstations . Your links illustrate their power. I am just discussing lack of aceeptance by the majority for the Linux desktop.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deleted » Tue Aug 09, 2016 3:51 pm

Industries are accepting them. The links show it.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by TooMuchTime » Tue Aug 09, 2016 4:01 pm

Just to give you some numbers – at SophosLabs WE were seeing an average of 16,000-24,000 compromised websites a day in 2013.

Link from Groze's post.

Emphasis added.
So, an anti-virus company is telling you how unsecure your operating system is. I understand that most of their data and statistics may be correct. But that doesn't negate the fact that as a company providing goods and services, they are selling their products at all times. Let's not lose sight of that fact.

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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by Portreve » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:14 pm

The average person out there is too generally ignorant to do anything other than what's spoon-fed to them. That's not the fault of the GNU+Linux community; it's the fault of society encouraging people to quit asking questions, stop the process of discovery, quit rocking the boat, and to just get along to go along.

You want to point to choice as a problem? Are you serious?

At best, GNU+Linux gets misrepresented to the average person as something complicated, or for geeks, or where you have to type in all of your commands, or some such nonsense.

The people I know personally who choose to not run it are either:

A. Gamers; or
B. Users of specific (typically commercial) software which is unrepresented in the GNU+Linux ecosystem.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by InkKnife » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:38 pm

Portreve wrote:The average person out there is too generally ignorant to do anything other than what's spoon-fed to them. That's not the fault of the GNU+Linux community; it's the fault of society encouraging people to quit asking questions, stop the process of discovery, quit rocking the boat, and to just get along to go along.

You want to point to choice as a problem? Are you serious?

At best, GNU+Linux gets misrepresented to the average person as something complicated, or for geeks, or where you have to type in all of your commands, or some such nonsense.

The people I know personally who choose to not run it are either:

A. Gamers; or
B. Users of specific (typically commercial) software which is unrepresented in the GNU+Linux ecosystem.
All you have to do is go look at the "What are your top tips for a Newbie?" thread here to see Linux fans making Linux look like something you need to study long and hard to operate.
I have been using Mint as my full time OS for 5 years and have had to learn practically nothing. Distros like Mint are EASY, but you'd never know it reading what Linux enthusiasts say to n00bies.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deepakdeshp » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:53 am

Portreve wrote:
You want to point to choice as a problem? Are you serious?
Most people will not go out and evaluate a dozen of choices to find the best one for them . They are not technically aware , not curious and do not have the patience. Only specialists like you would go on evaluating so many choices.
As discussed the software is limited, for any distro if the number of users is less. 1.8 % desktop linux users of all desktop users are further fragmanted in the Linux flavours.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by MintBean » Wed Aug 10, 2016 6:03 am

All you have to do is go look at the "What are your top tips for a Newbie?" thread here to see Linux fans making Linux look like something you need to study long and hard to operate.
Unfortunately, I see a lot of this myself and it does Mint a great disservice. I've seen posts with a solution involving modifying system files and entering commands, whereas it could be achieved with one or two clicks in the system settings panel.

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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by InkKnife » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:36 am

deepakdeshp wrote:
Portreve wrote:
You want to point to choice as a problem? Are you serious?
Most people will not go out and evaluate a dozen of choices to find the best one for them . They are not technically aware , not curious and do not have the patience. Only specialists like you would go on evaluating so many choices.
As discussed the software is limited, for any distro if the number of users is less. 1.8 % desktop linux users of all desktop users are further fragmanted in the Linux flavours.
In practically every category of consumer goods you can think of buyers have a broad range of choices and deal with it just fine with a tremendous amount of choice.
But somehow choice becomes a problem with computer operating systems. That is utter nonsense.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by androids » Wed Aug 10, 2016 11:52 am

As a Relative newbie who is largely unskilled with Linux I can tell you straight away why Linux has such a slow uptake...whatever the flavour. Its simply down to its complexity. Ill give you an instance...I want to run an application which requires a windows substitute environment (Chairgun Pro). I have loaded linux mint 18 (Sarah) onto my laptop as a dual boot with windows 7 professional. I have no qualms stating Linux is the most powerful of the two OSs...its also the most secure and probably the most tune-able though i know some windows gurus who would argue the point by stripping the gui from windows and running a simple cut down command line version. Where I see the problem with linux is it isn't anywhere near as straightforward to install such programs....trying to load wine...reasonably straightforward but lots of error messages which require investigation prior to continuing. then there's the Java Run-time....its a nightmare. It can be tricky for the uninitiated in a Windows Machine but in Linux its bordering on black magic lol. until we can get a simplified workstation build there will never in my humble opinion be a large uptake of Linux. Its a Niche Market product for those of us who are able to trawl through google and trusted forums to get the answers and updates to do the most mundane of tasks...

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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by Moem » Wed Aug 10, 2016 1:59 pm

androids wrote:As a Relative newbie who is largely unskilled with Linux I can tell you straight away why Linux has such a slow uptake...whatever the flavour. Its simply down to its complexity. Ill give you an instance...I want to run an application which requires a windows substitute environment (Chairgun Pro).
So... what you want to do here is run an application that was made for a different platform. And it's complicated.
But pray tell, how easy would it be to do that in Windows? :wink:

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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by xenopeek » Wed Aug 10, 2016 2:20 pm

Swap Windows and Linux in your text and it is equally true. (Here's how to run Linux programs on Windows: http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-run ... n-windows/) I'm not unskilled with Windows but I'm still going to have a tough time to make my Linux programs work on Windows just as well as they do on Linux, if at all possible.

If you're going to judge Linux only by how well it runs Windows programs then yes it's going to come up short. But by that reasoning so is Windows, as it's equally coming up short for running Linux programs. Linux isn't a free version of Windows.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deleted » Wed Aug 10, 2016 3:05 pm

deepakdeshp wrote: Most people will not go out and evaluate a dozen of choices to find the best one for them . They are not technically aware , not curious and do not have the patience. Only specialists like you would go on evaluating so many choices.
As discussed the software is limited, for any distro if the number of users is less. 1.8 % desktop linux users of all desktop users are further fragmanted in the Linux flavours.
Ever buy a car or a house? ;)
As for "software is limited" once I installed [Debian/Ubuntu/Mint] Linux, 99.99% of the time I've never had to install things not in the repos (realVNC and VMWare Player are about it). I've never even missed cnet.com or downloads.com.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by Portreve » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:18 pm

InkKnife wrote:In practically every category of consumer goods you can think of buyers have a broad range of choices and deal with it just fine with a tremendous amount of choice.
But somehow choice becomes a problem with computer operating systems. That is utter nonsense.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by Portreve » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:20 pm

Moem wrote:
androids wrote:As a Relative newbie who is largely unskilled with Linux I can tell you straight away why Linux has such a slow uptake...whatever the flavour. Its simply down to its complexity. Ill give you an instance...I want to run an application which requires a windows substitute environment (Chairgun Pro).
So... what you want to do here is run an application that was made for a different platform. And it's complicated.
But pray tell, how easy would it be to do that in Windows? :wink:
Y'know, Moem, if you're going to insist on stealing my ideas for a response before I have them... :lol:
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by deleted » Wed Aug 10, 2016 4:24 pm

BTW... I just re-imaged my Acer Aspire (just got an SSD) to dual boot Win7 and Mint. I installed Win7 first and guess what? It wouldn't even connect to the internet (wired or wireless). I had to go to Acer and get the network drivers (among about 8 other drivers). I'm still waiting for all the updates _after_ Win7 SP1 to download and install.
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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by BG405 » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:35 pm

I had a similar issue with a Toshiba netbook. But in this case no Windows wireless driver to be found anywhere, even Toshiba's support site. Graphics and other drivers were available there though. That machine had Win7 Starter pre-installed but no media for reinstallation.

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Re: Linux as a desktop OS has low acceptance

Post by thom_A » Thu Aug 11, 2016 1:12 pm

androids wrote:Ill give you an instance...I want to run an application which requires a windows substitute environment (Chairgun Pro).
You probably have to stop insisting on using applications that were made specifically for other OSes. I gave up Wine a long time ago, for instance. It's just not that easy trying to figure out where they were stored when they're installed and how they co-exist with Linux filing system. It's complicated just thinking about it. If you want the app made in Windows, run it in Windows.

Before I started switching to Linux I first assessed what apps I needed, what I can give up, what I can't, alternatives in Linux, etc. Luckily before I did I was already using apps like Gimp, Inkscape, Blender, OpenOffice, etc., all of which have stable Windows versions. It became just a matter of changing OS. The constant need to install virus checkers is what made me started using Windows rarely. I don't know what it is but every time I visit this popular sports forum the ads keep popping up and they're all over the place. The virus checkers I was using were not even working.

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