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Re: Ryzen Time! Suggestions for the new build

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Citizen229 wrote:The point of my gamer statements is that it is the majority of hardware tests you are going to see. So we will have to pretend to be gamers to assimilate the data. And this data will obviously be windows benchmarks and not linux benchmarks.
Phoronix has been crunching out Linux benchmarks for Ryzen and articles about Linux on Ryzen. Not just about Linux gaming. Like for the 1800x and 1700 these two non-gaming benchmarks:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... inux&num=1
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... 1700&num=1

The test results of users using the Phoronix Test Suite to benchmark their own systems can be found on https://openbenchmarking.org/.

All in all, coffee412 is going to build a killer system :D
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What I found impressive is the kernel compile times compared to Intel.

@citizen229 - Didnt want to sound harsh on my gaming statements. :)

My motherboard and memory arrive tomorrow. What a day. BTW - Found this article that might be a good read on the MB situation if your interested.

http://www.legitreviews.com/one-motherb ... ing_192470
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In the article the anonymous mobo person blames AMD. More than likely what happened is with the 3rd date pushback, RnD got put to intel boards. Usually when a company pushes dates back a few times, that software or product will go to vaporware. More than likely mobo manufacturers were more taken by surprise when the chips were actually launched.

These comments from the article sounds about right... but take it for what its worth.

ZoA Nathan Kirsch • a day ago

"1) Think you are mistaken about everyone knowing for half a year that Zen was coming out during the first week of March and being announced in February."

Well on that you are 100% wrong. Lisa Sue officially announced, during earnings calls back in October 2016, that desktop Zen will be launching q1 2017, then followed by server zen in q2. Furthermore even months back before that tech press was reporting AMD was targeting q4 2016 and q1 2017 as zen launch date, so not only was not zen early, it was actually late."

As well as...

" ZoA Buster • 2 days ago

Problem is his claim release was planed for end of q2 is blunt falsehood as it was known for almost half a year that zen launch was in q1. So he is clearly lying abut that.

He is also lying engineering samples were unavailable as we had zen engendering samples benchmark leaks for more then a quarter before launch, and they were in fact so widely available that even random French magazine got their hands on them month before launch.

Only truthful part seems that AMD did not resolve BIOS memory issues in time for launch, but that's hardly unprecedented or unusual as even Intel X99 platform had similar issues after launch.

Clearly what is happening is this vendor was to busy focusing on Intel and so they neglected this new market opportunity, and instead of taking responsibility for lack of foresight and inadequate assessment of available market they are making shit up to slander their partner. It is clearly shit company and I want to know who they are so I can avoid their products."
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Re: Ryzen Time! Suggestions for the new build

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I can understand glitches in the bios - As that happens on all new processor releases. Bios updates take care of that. However, A supply issue is just a killer mistake. I cannot think of anything more frustrating for AMD than to work so hard and have ample processors ready for the launching and the MB manufactuers not have their end of the supply chain in order. IMHO, If it was a fault of AMD's then we would still have a good supply of MBs its just they would be defective in some way by a mistake from AMD. Since the release date was widely known you really have to look at the MB manufactuers more closely. What I find odd is that I can see a few of the MB manufactuers running out of stock but not all of them. So, Clearly somethings did not go right that effected all the MB manufactuers.

I have noticed some things about the x370 MBs. First, Has anyone noticed the placement of the 1xPCIe busses? Some of the boards have them starting first (closest to the power supply or processor chip) and some have them after the video card buss. If they start after the video card buss then with most high performance video cards taking up 2 slots you automatically lose the use of one of the smaller busses. Also, Some of the MBs just skip it entirely and give you only 2 1xPCIe busses.

My issue was that I wanted a minimum of 8 sata ports. So, It seemed at the time I was selecting my MB that the ones that had a good layout for the small busses Versus the video card busses had only 6 sata ports or less. I can live without one small buss. Its not a deal breaker. I could have also just bought an add on card for the extra sata ports too. But these are suppose to be the top end boards and I just think some better wisdom could be used in placement of the busses and the amount of sata ports.

I also wish that someone would have released a board without all the glitsy lights and graphics and concentrated more on the hardware. One of the boards I saw had a wireless on board that you hook 2 antennas too. I think that really isnt needed as a usb dongle would do better.

My little extra rant is the video cards themselfs. If your installing into a tower like most of us do. Why does the cooling heatsink and fan face down all the time? I have to be missing something here as this has been the norm for years. I was always taught that heat rises. So, With the heatsink and fan facing down it just does not seem right.

Anyways, Those are my thoughts. :)

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GPU fans face downward to not interrupt the main air flow of the case. Also if they were up ward there would be tight clearance between the fans and the bridge heat sink. If the fans faced up,they would be fighting for air volume with the cpu fan, as well as ram fans(if applicable). Google should give some images, and a better description of air flow than I just gave. And dont forget positive displacement to help keep dust out of the case.
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My suggestions for a build of this nature:
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Keep us appraised of how your build goes, if you would, and what you have to do to get everything working. You're one of the pioneers :wink:

There are others asking on the forums how Ryzen will work with Linux Mint 18.1 so you experiences will be useful to many others. As I understand it you need at least kernel 4.10 and have answered on another topic viewtopic.php?f=49&t=241580 how to install that from the Ubuntu mainline kernel builds archive.
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It seems that it indeed needs the 4.10 kernel. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/ ... ading.html

And since a few weeks (days?) there is a new tool in town to install easily all the new kernels in Linux Mint/Ubuntu: UKUU
https://fossbytes.com/install-upgrade-l ... mint-ukuu/
http://www.2daygeek.com/ukuu-install-up ... entary-os/

I haven't tried it, but it seems to be a GUI for the kernel-ubuntu ppa.
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killer de bug wrote:It seems that it indeed needs the 4.10 kernel. http://www.pcworld.com/article/3176323/ ... ading.html

And since a few weeks (days?) there is a new tool in town to install easily all the new kernels in Linux Mint/Ubuntu: UKUU
https://fossbytes.com/install-upgrade-l ... mint-ukuu/
http://www.2daygeek.com/ukuu-install-up ... entary-os/

I haven't tried it, but it seems to be a GUI for the kernel-ubuntu ppa.
unable to resist,-- I decided to try this on my MINT 18.1 KDE system,.......

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1. add ppa

mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $ sudo apt-add-repository -y ppa:teejee2008/ppa
You are about to add the following PPA:
 More info: https://launchpad.net/~teejee2008/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
Executing: /tmp/tmp.JrzRZmsi0F/gpg.1.sh --keyserver
hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80
--recv-keys
2D0F61F0
gpg: requesting key 2D0F61F0 from hkp server keyserver.ubuntu.com
gpg: key 2D0F61F0: public key "Launchpad PPA for Tony George" imported                                                                                          
gpg: Total number processed: 1                                                                                                                                  
gpg:               imported: 1  (RSA: 1)                                                                                                                        
mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $                                          


2. update sources list


mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $ sudo apt-get update                                                                                                              
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Get:9 http://ppa.launchpad.net/teejee2008/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main Sources [2,720 B]                                                                              
Get:10 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/main i386 Packages [221 kB]                                                                            
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Get:17 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/universe amd64 Packages [93.6 kB]                                                                     
Get:18 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main i386 Packages [483 kB]                                                                             
Get:19 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/universe i386 Packages [86.3 kB]                                                                      
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Get:22 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security/universe Translation-en [50.7 kB]                                                                     
Get:23 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe i386 Packages [425 kB]                                                                         
Get:24 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe Translation-en [166 kB]                                                               
Get:25 http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/backports/ubuntu xenial/main i386 Packages [241 kB]                                                       
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Get:27 http://packages.linuxmint.com serena Release [24.2 kB]
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Get:29 http://packages.linuxmint.com serena/upstream amd64 Packages [36.1 kB]
Get:30 http://packages.linuxmint.com serena/upstream i386 Packages [36.1 kB]
Fetched 3,910 kB in 1min 3s (61.5 kB/s)
Reading package lists... Done
mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $ 


3. install ukuu

mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $ sudo apt-get install ukuu
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  aria2 libc-ares2 libgee-0.8-2
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  aria2 libc-ares2 libgee-0.8-2 ukuu
0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 85 not upgraded.
Need to get 1,599 kB of archives.
After this operation, 6,571 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
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Get:2 http://ppa.launchpad.net/teejee2008/ppa/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 ukuu amd64 17.2.3~77~ubuntu16.04.1 [212 kB]
Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/universe amd64 aria2 amd64 1.19.0-1build1 [1,143 kB]
Get:4 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 libgee-0.8-2 amd64 0.18.0-1 [210 kB]
Fetched 1,599 kB in 1s (1,385 kB/s)    
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Setting up libc-ares2:amd64 (1.10.0-3ubuntu0.1) ...
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Setting up libgee-0.8-2:amd64 (0.18.0-1) ...
Setting up ukuu (17.2.3~77~ubuntu16.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu5) ...
mike@ResearchKDE ~/Documents $ 


REBOOT

mike@ResearchKDE ~ $ inxi -F
System:    Host: ResearchKDE Kernel: 4.10.2-041002-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: KDE Plasma 5.8.5
           Distro: Linux Mint 18.1 Serena
Machine:   Mobo: ASUSTeK model: A88X-PRO v: Rev X.0x Bios: American Megatrends v: 2603 date: 03/10/2016
CPU:       Quad core AMD A10-7860K Radeon R7 12 Compute Cores 4C+8G (-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB 
           clock speeds: max: 3600 MHz 1: 1900 MHz 2: 1900 MHz 3: 2500 MHz 4: 1400 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R7 Graphics]
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 2560x1440@59.95hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD KAVERI (DRM 2.49.0 / 4.10.2-041002-generic, LLVM 3.8.0)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.6
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Kaveri HDMI/DP Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.10.2-041002-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller driver: r8169
           IF: enp4s0 state: down mac: 34:97:f6:93:00:a9
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter driver: rtl8192ce
           IF: wlp5s0 state: up mac: 9c:5c:8e:b5:43:08
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 3000.6GB (1.6% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD1002FAEX size: 1000.2GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: ST31000524AS size: 1000.2GB ID-3: /dev/sdc model: ST31000524AS size: 1000.2GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 42G used: 8.5G (22%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdc1
           ID-2: /home size: 461G used: 5.6G (2%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdc3
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 33.22GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sdc4
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 0.0C mobo: N/A gpu: -9.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 0
Info:      Processes: 238 Uptime: 1 min Memory: 921.8/31105.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35 
mike@ResearchKDE ~ $ 


notes

first attempt ended in errors
after that the system came back up in kernel 4.4

after that this ukuu-gtx tool presented a pop-up stating that kernel 4.10.2 was available
i clicked INSTALL and this seemed to proceed normally;    presenting note: reboot required to activcate.

i have re-booted and you can see from inxi -F data (above) kernel 4.10.2 is identified.

notes

(1) during the install process the messages indicated that LMDE/2 was found on another drive.   i'll boot that up to see if it updated that one too;    i ran this on my KDE/18.1 system expecting this would be the system that would be updated

more as i continue to poke around with the update.

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Re: Ryzen Time! Suggestions for the new build

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earlier i had been thinking: >> what if <<

i could just download and install kernel 4.10 and then install the X-window desktop -- kde, -- Cinamon --

while thinking this over Killer hits us with this kernel tool

this appears to work -- and -- the process seems painless

they even give backout instruct, -- "JIC"
Screenshot_20170314_142321.png

--nothing seems any the worse for wear......
--it didn't update the LMDE/2 system on sdb
--there was no opportunity to check a sha256sum
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The more things I try and find about the 6 core 1600x the more it sounds like my next build. Im getting excited. And I TOTALLY blame coffee for it LOL.
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Citizen229 wrote:The more things I try and find about the 6 core 1600x the more it sounds like my next build. Im getting excited. And I TOTALLY blame coffee for it LOL.
i kinda had my eye on that 6-core job myself......
i'm an LMDE fan though -- so -- this ukuu-gtx update won't work ( it's ppa based -- which is for UBUNTU base systems only )

seems like i saw that foss thing offered .deb type updates as well,-- that would be cool

the thing that interests me though is -- can we get Oracle/V-Box to allow the guest O/S access to the graphics accelerator--
i like an APU rather than a CPU/Graphics-Card type system

i think we are going to see a lot of cools stuff from AMD on this RYZEN base

my next build though -- i want to make a "split" system: use a 128GB SSD at root and put the /home directory on a 4T hard drive
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Interesting tidbits from a Hardware.Info (Dutch article https://nl.hardware.info/nieuws/51418/d ... t-in-games):
In one sentence: why is it that Ryzen doesn't perform as well in games as it does in other software? The answer: primarily because of how the Zen architecture works. The additional latency introduced by splitting the 8 cores into core-complexes of 4 cores each [this adds 100ns latency, more than tripling the 42ns latency between cores on the same core-complex] appears to have more impact on games than many other software, for which simultaneous calculations are less dependent on each other.
[...]
By the way, something that AMD also mentions in its own reaction to findings of others: the Ryzen R7 1700X and 1800X were reporting their temperatures too high. This wasn't by mistake but intentionally — AMD adds 20°C to the temperature that the sensors read to ensure that the CPU cooler's fan spins fast enough. They forgot to share that fact and as such many diagnostic tools report the CPU temperature too high. Ryzen get less hot than they appear.
Now, we can't read temperature sensor information on Linux yet but when looking at reviews where Windows was used certainly the last bit is good news!
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Latest update:

Well, I hit a snag in installing Mint 64bit Sarah 18.1

I can boot from the USB and install up to the point of installing grub2 and then the installer crashes. The error is "Cannot install to target drive".

Very interesting. Im sure its a secure boot thing or similar where the boot sector is locked out. I have to do some research on this.

Booting straight from the USB iso though I went into the system monitoring and I can see the beautiful 16 threads/cores! The RX480 works without any hassle. If I boot into compatibility I do get a higher resolution.

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Are target drives raid? if not swap drive into other computer and just install and swap back. Its crap I know but I do it.
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Citizen229 wrote:Are target drives raid? if not swap drive into other computer and just install and swap back. Its crap I know but I do it.
I did play around in the bios with the fakeraid but removed and reset bios. What did work was taking the computer off the network (disconnect cable). Then everything ran fine. Dont know what that is all about.

Got the kernel updated and got the RX480 driver installed. :) I am running kernel 4.10.3 which is latest stable. Everything seems to be fine. I have not played with the audio chipset yet. I dont think thats going to work yet. I dont know. Driver being used for it is an Intel HD driver.

I dont look forward from moving from my old computer to the new one. Just a lot of work to do. lol...

OK, I want to post some screen shots now. :) (Pictures! We all love pictures!!)

Lets see if I can get this to work.


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System monitor is running out of colors trying to show all your threads :lol: Congratulations on the build!
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I was proud of my i3 with 2 cores and 2 threads. Now I see it differently. :lol:
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Would it be fair to say the line between server chips and desktop chips is being blurred? Intel 2011v3 boards are being made with 8 dimms and can hold server or desktop chips, as well as ECC or non-Ecc ram. I almost wonder if a new mobo form factor for desktops needs created to support 8 dimms and dual ryzen chips. Just completely remove the server/desktop gray area., and give it a sector of its own. The dual desktop chip has been done before and it failed. But this was in the infancy of the internet.
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killer de bug wrote:I was proud of my i3 with 2 cores and 2 threads. Now I see it differently. :lol:
tee hee

a Core i3 is going to do many tasks just fine --

for me, it's rendering video that is the "heavy hauling".
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