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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby rdonnelly » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:56 am

I tried the Neon on a USB stick, I like it, it looks just like Mint KDE, it does not come with all the same preinstalled apps, but that is not a big deal. For now I will stick with Mint KDE until it is out of date. Too bad Mint is dropping KDE.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby tdockery97 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:23 am

I also plan to stay with Mint KDE through the lifetime of 18.3. Four more years is plenty of time to continue enjoying what I consider to be the best KDE distro.
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Postby srq2625 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:26 am

Reading through the entire thread, saw some really good suggestions. What I'm surprised I didn't see is SolydXK. Yes, I know, it's not Ubuntu based but then there were a number of suggestions made here that are not. It's Debian (Stretch, now at 9.1.X IIRC). I've been using it since shortly after its inception, some three or four years ago. Since they moved to Debian stable as a base, this thing has been both very quick and very stable. And, surprisingly, quite a small footprint in terms of both CPU and memory.

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Postby aes2011 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:56 am

There's Chakra as well!

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Postby Jedinovice » Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:14 am

srq2625 wrote:Reading through the entire thread, saw some really good suggestions. What I'm surprised I didn't see is SolydXK. Yes, I know, it's not Ubuntu based but then there were a number of suggestions made here that are not. It's Debian (Stretch, now at 9.1.X IIRC). I've been using it since shortly after its inception, some three or four years ago. Since they moved to Debian stable as a base, this thing has been both very quick and very stable. And, surprisingly, quite a small footprint in terms of both CPU and memory.


But not so good for those of us who need up to date software.
Nothing against Solydk itself - I like the idea - but it's for those that place stability as their number 1 priority. As such, apps are frozen in time for a long time.
I kinda need the latest Kdenlive! I don't need to update Libreoffice often but I will when Microsoft significantly change their file format AGAIN.

Just sayin' Solydk is for stability hence 'stable.'
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Postby srq2625 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:33 pm

Jedinovice wrote:But not so good for those of us who need up to date software.

I can understand that. For SOME users, the need for newer software can be satisfied by backports - some, but not all.

There is also, maybe for some individuals, the ability to compile from source.

Finally, you're not one of these (I've read enough of your posts to know otherwise), but I've seen many cases where the stated need for the latest version is more a case of "it's there, therefore I need it" rather than "there's functionality I need that's only available in the most recent version."

For me, for most software, I can get by with the stable version. But there are a couple programs where I've had to either use backports (hplip for a very new printer) or compile the source (darktable, for example).

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Postby mr_raider » Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:18 pm

Hmmm...WPS office won't run under KDE neon. Runs fine in Mint KDE 18. I'm guessing it's a missing dependency.

Anyone try it on kubuntu?
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Postby kdemeoz » Mon Oct 30, 2017 9:22 pm

MadmanRB wrote:Personally I say dont use PClinux as its severely limited by its package selection and installing third party packages is impossible without a lot of hard work for the end user and it takes forever for a package to be approved by its packagers.
For me the most logical distro to go to for Mint KDE users to go to is Maui linux, its based on Ubuntu like Mint is and offers PPA support and a very refined build of KDE neon and it has a lot of linux mints tools baked in:

https://mauilinux.org/

I would say Kubuntu is a good option but Maui is much better and offers its own benefits that outclass Kubuntu


IMO Kubuntu is sub-optimal; a comparatively poor implementation of KDE Plasma5. As per my earlier post in this thread, Maui was my OS after i upgraded to Plasma5 from Mint 17.3 KDE4, & for the most part i liked Maui very much, until 17.06 which disappointed me. I went from Maui to openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE, & am revelling in it; a really wonderful P5 deployment indeed. Anyone who desires a fine P5 experience really ought to give oS TW KDE a serious try.

Given all the love being expressed in this thread for KDE Neon, i launched my Neon VM to look it over once again, upgraded it from P5.11.0 to 5.11.2, & then remembered all over again why i went to Maui not Neon once i moved on from Mint 17.3. In a head to head contest of Neon vs Maui, Maui wins easily, for me. However, having grown accustomed to having current applications in my TW P5, yesterday rediscovering the comparative "oldness" of many apps in Neon & its repos [ditto Maui] was jarring [c/o their Ubuntu 16.04 LTS base, i assume]. Additionally, aesthetics not only functionality are important to me in my OS+DE. Neon has never let me set my desired GTK2 & GTK3 Themes; it reverts to the noxious Breeze 100% of the time. thus said apps tend to look more like Gnome than KDE ones for me in Neon. Maui did not have that problem; like Tumbleweed it also respected my choices.

If soon-to-be ex-MintKDE users are determined to remain in the *buntu-derivative universe for their next P5 OS, Maui is a fine choice. If said ex-users are willing to be a bit braver & leave the *buntu-derivatives, openSUSE Tumbleweed KDE provides a stunning P5 experience**, with a robust code-base beneath, current application versions, rolling-release tempered by the impressive automated openQA process, & the really nice system Rollbacks capability provided care of BtrFS + Snapper. I'd not known of any of that before i discovered oS, but now it just fits me like a glove.

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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby Jedinovice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:40 am

srq2625 wrote:
Jedinovice wrote:But not so good for those of us who need up to date software.

I can understand that. For SOME users, the need for newer software can be satisfied by backports - some, but not all.

There is also, maybe for some individuals, the ability to compile from source.

Finally, you're not one of these (I've read enough of your posts to know otherwise), but I've seen many cases where the stated need for the latest version is more a case of "it's there, therefore I need it" rather than "there's functionality I need that's only available in the most recent version."


Yeah. I know. But there are distros for that. Fedora comes to mind.

I like(d) Mint because it was stable and the software at the level of functionality I needed. But having PPA's does give you the option of the latest version should you need it. I've generally found the software in Mint to be excellent and only needed updates for Kdenlive and Libreoffice - and then then Libreoffice is very occasional.

What I am liking about Neon, though, is that it's 'obsession' with KDE :D means it seems to update the KDE software suite often and that means the latest Kdenlive without PPA! Ohhhh, nice! AMVs require lots of wipse, speed controls, overlays, effects... added functionality there is used!

Now, if Solydk does allow for a stable software base with the occasional update as per Mint, it's definitely a contender. Besides, this is Linux. The more choice the better! And, if Mint is (sorta) throwing us KDE users out into the cold (yes, I know, you can install KDE on top of XFCE but...) then the more KDE options the better!

At the moment Neon is working out very well. The wife cannot tell the difference between Neon and Mint apart from the default color scheme for the task bar - but I have to do battle with the BIOS busted Acer and I am neck deep in exams and University submissions. I have to time my attack carefully...
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby Jedinovice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:45 am

kdemeoz wrote:If soon-to-be ex-MintKDE users are determined to remain in the *buntu-derivative universe for their next P5 OS, Maui is a fine choice.


Like I have said - the more choice the better.

But I have to ask; why the name "Maul?'

I presume as in 'Darth...?'

For me as a Jedi this might prove... troublesome.
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Postby catweazel » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:49 am

Jedinovice wrote:But I have to ask; why the name "Maul?'

It's Maui, not Maul.
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Postby Retic1959 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:55 am

Popped on to the SolydK forum , discovered they have community editions based on Debian testing for those that want more up to date apps . https://solydxk.com/downloads/community-editions/

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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby Jedinovice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:01 am

catweazel wrote:
Jedinovice wrote:But I have to ask; why the name "Maul?'

It's Maui, not Maul.


Oooohh! :shock:

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Postby catweazel » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:21 am

Jedinovice wrote:Taking a trip to the local Maii

You mean Mall, yes?
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Postby Jedinovice » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:34 am

catweazel wrote:
Jedinovice wrote:Taking a trip to the local Maii

You mean Mall, yes?


I need stronger glasses.

And two weeks holiday.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby mr_raider » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:49 pm



Yeah I'll look into it. Maybe it's time I ditch wps since it has virtually no development or support.

Trying out onlyoffice now, buy it messes up some MS office PowerPoint slides.
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Postby MintBean » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:11 pm

mr_raider wrote:Yeah I'll look into it. Maybe it's time I ditch wps since it has virtually no development or support.

Trying out onlyoffice now, buy it messes up some MS office PowerPoint slides.
The only way to be completely compatible is to run MS office. I run it in a VM. I think my Win10 and Office licence keys combined cost about £10 sterling on Ebay.

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Postby Hoser Rob » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:01 pm

Jedinovice wrote:
srq2625 wrote:Reading through the entire thread, saw some really good suggestions. What I'm surprised I didn't see is SolydXK. Yes, I know, it's not Ubuntu based but then there were a number of suggestions made here that are not. It's Debian (Stretch, now at 9.1.X IIRC). I've been using it since shortly after its inception, some three or four years ago. Since they moved to Debian stable as a base, this thing has been both very quick and very stable. And, surprisingly, quite a small footprint in terms of both CPU and memory.


But not so good for those of us who need up to date software.
Nothing against Solydk itself - I like the idea - but it's for those that place stability as their number 1 priority. As such, apps are frozen in time for a long time.
I kinda need the latest Kdenlive! I don't need to update Libreoffice often but I will when Microsoft significantly change their file format AGAIN.

Just sayin' Solydk is for stability hence 'stable.'


If you need up to date solftware why in the flying frak are you using Mint? You continually amaze me. How many GOOD forums have you been flamed off???

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Postby BG405 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:07 pm

There are some good suggestions here. Maui looks interesting but I will need to find a way of viewing their forums in PC-friendly format before trying that out. OT for this thread though.

I'm going to stick with Mint KDE for the life of the 18.x series and will continue to use Mint for my Xfce machines and Cinnamon on another machine for familiarity once I've reinstalled this one with Mint 18.2 KDE. I'll probably clone this installation to that machine so I can carry on where I'll have left off with Cinnamon. It's such an excellent DE even if it doesn't really suit my needs and workflow 100%. It's close, though & I love experimenting.
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