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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby Jedinovice » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:30 am

kdemeoz wrote:You said:

However, it is a rather 'Johnny come lately' distro and it's not clear how long it run for…


Do you really not see a problem with that?

I pointed this out to you not to attack you but to indicate that you might inadvertently mislead other readers who don't know about Maui.


I do not have the problem with the data. I take exception to the suggestion that I was deliberately misleading people. I will grant it was implied but rather heavily implied.

There's a WAY to correct faulty data. I have no objection to your correction. Others are free to comment. I am happy with discussion but let's not get personal. I gave the best answer I could with the data I had at the time!! Along with the consensus in the thread to date.

I repeat - as I said in my reply to you: I have no problem with corrections!!

It is the WAY it is done and when it moves from the data to the person and their motivation.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby zparihar » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:52 pm

Hey Guys,

Please help promote this campaign for Maui Linux as the "Heir to the Throne".

https://forums.mauilinux.org/showthread.php?tid=24650

Cheers,

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Postby kdemeoz » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:58 pm

zparihar wrote:Hey Guys,

Please help promote this campaign for Maui Linux as the "Heir to the Throne".

https://forums.mauilinux.org/showthread.php?tid=24650

Cheers,

Zubin Parihar

Well, no. Maui is excellent for Plasma5, in the Debian/Ubuntu world, but it is not the best Plasma5 experience in toto. For that, you have to leave the comfortable familiarity [for those who feel it to be so] of the DEB galaxy, & enter the RPM galaxy.
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Postby rick gen » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:12 pm

zparihar wrote:Hey Guys,
Please help promote this campaign for Maui Linux as the "Heir to the Throne".
https://forums.mauilinux.org/showthread.php?tid=24650
Cheers,
Zubin Parihar

What's so special about Maui?

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Postby xdicey » Fri Nov 17, 2017 7:45 pm

But is it really feasible to use Maui? considering one of its moderators response from the same post here https://forums.mauilinux.org/showthread.php?tid=24650

There are unfortunately other plans. Maui isn't going to release new ISO releases so new users might be better off using Netrunner instead of Maui to get the newest Desktop out of the box.
We will keep the package repos up to date in backports for our users so they can continue to use Maui with Ubuntu / Neon and our Backports repos.
That is all I can say for now.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby kdemeoz » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:12 pm

Jedinovice wrote:
kdemeoz wrote:You said:

However, it is a rather 'Johnny come lately' distro and it's not clear how long it run for…


Do you really not see a problem with that?

I pointed this out to you not to attack you but to indicate that you might inadvertently mislead other readers who don't know about Maui.




Haha, life has such a funny way of upending much of what people thought they knew & could believe. I've just now discovered that my erstwhile faith in the longevity of Maui was completely misplaced, & thus your wary cynicism of it was, after all, entirely valid. I hereby unreservedly rescind my earlier remarks, & applaud you for possessing a far better crystal ball than i have. So, now it might be interesting to begin having a closer look at Netrunner...
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby Jedinovice » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:03 pm

kdemeoz wrote:Haha, life has such a funny way of upending much of what people thought they knew & could believe. I've just now discovered that my erstwhile faith in the longevity of Maui was completely misplaced, & thus your wary cynicism of it was, after all, entirely valid. I hereby unreservedly rescind my earlier remarks, & applaud you for possessing a far better crystal ball than i have. So, now it might be interesting to begin having a closer look at Netrunner...


LOL! Fair comment!

I honestly don't know what to say. The word from Maui surprised me as well.
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As I say, i am still putting Neon through it's paces but it is sooooo busy with end of semester exams starting on Monday - kids are turning up at the gate for extra classes with no notification at all. They ALWAYS do this!!! And the ceiling is being rebuilt. That's right - not repaired. Completely rebuilt. So no time to go deep. All I can say at this time is that I am successfully running Neon on any numbers of laptops with young kids and it's holding its own! Certainly an 'I am stressed' test!

But more feedback when I get more time to delve.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby rick gen » Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:20 pm

I won't be replacing Mint KDE till it's no longer updated, that is mid 2021 as mentioned.
But I'll be going with the mother of all KDEs, and that is the most established Kubuntu,
which is the Linux distro I started with many years ago because of its resemblance with Windows.
I have been adding Kubuntu partitions in my machines and so far so good.
So no worries for me when Mint KDE is all over.

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Postby o-l-d » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:58 pm

Mint 18.3 KDE will be supported until 2021 when support for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS ends. I personally don't understand the "panic mode" some Mint KDE users seem to be in. Mint KDE will still receive all Plasma 5 LTS updates via Kubuntu backports.

One would think with 3+ years of full support and updates that IF one decides to change to a different KDE distro there would be more than ample time to test other distros and find a suitable one.

While I am saddened by the decision to drop KDE I also appreciate the reasoning behind it. Thanks to Clem and the whole KDE team at Mint(and Kubuntu), it was a wonderful run while it lasted and most of all thanks for having the wisdom to see the need to concentrate talent and resources in a more streamlined manner.

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Postby catweazel » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:38 pm

o-l-d wrote:I personally don't understand the "panic mode" some Mint KDE users seem to be in.

What panic?
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Postby Neil Edmond » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:52 pm

What would you prefer to call it?

It doesn't make much sense to be looking for a replacement today. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see what's available in 2021? How do we know for sure that any of the above suggestions will be viable then?

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Postby catweazel » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:59 pm

Neil Edmond wrote:What would you prefer to call it?

Discussion.

It doesn't make much sense to be looking for a replacement today. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see what's available in 2021? How do we know for sure that any of the above suggestions will be viable then?

For some of us, it's an opportunity to learn more about other distros, but the salient point is that just because one course of action makes sense to you, it doesn't follow that it's the right course for everyone else. Fortunately we don't all see the world in the same way. It's called diversity, and its healthy.
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Re: Replacement KDE distros... Feedback here!

Postby kdemeoz » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:21 pm

o-l-d wrote:... the "panic mode"... .


Correlation does not mean causation. Discussion does not mean panic.
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Postby kdemeoz » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:25 pm

catweazel wrote:
Neil Edmond wrote:What would you prefer to call it?

Discussion.

It doesn't make much sense to be looking for a replacement today. Wouldn't it make more sense to wait and see what's available in 2021? How do we know for sure that any of the above suggestions will be viable then?

For some of us, it's an opportunity to learn more about other distros, but the salient point is that just because one course of action makes sense to you, it doesn't follow that it's the right course for everyone else. Fortunately we don't all see the world in the same way. It's called diversity, and its healthy.


Completely agree with your points. Well stated.
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Postby Neil Edmond » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:27 pm

OK...discussion then. That does seem less harsh.

I guess that's part of the problem with reading forum threads...we don't really get any sense of what individuals are feeling because of the lack of voice inflection, body language, etc., etc.

I don't know if anyone in this thread was feeling "panic", anxiety or any other forum of discomfort. But some of the posts read like there is a level of anxiety (or even panic) with the upcoming end of Mint KDE. Oh! No! What am I gonna do now? Is kind of what many posts look like. On the other hand, many posts read like, here's what I've tried lately, and it works for me, or not. But, we still don't know what computing, desktops or distro's will be available in 2021. Just 'cause it's good today, doesn't mean it will be in 3+ years.

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Postby catweazel » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:55 pm

Neil Edmond wrote:Just 'cause it's good today, doesn't mean it will be in 3+ years.

I'm certain you don't have any insight into the irony of that statement in relation to the upcoming 18.3.

Some people enjoy a technical challenge and with Mint dropping KDE after 18.3, for some of us, now is as good a time as any to seek an alternative distro. The point is, as I said, everyone is different and everyone will have different reasons for switching now or waiting. It's a personal choice, and that is the essence of what you seem to be missing. If you run Mint KDE and wish to wait 3 years then that's your choice and I'm fine with that. On the other hand, it isn't my choice, but my choice and the choices of others to do other than what you would do ought to be respected, not run down as if it were a wrong choice.
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Postby Neil Edmond » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm

Sure, I understand that different folks have different ideas about what is good for them and what is not. It's great that there are so many options today.

I don't mean to start, or even join an I'm right your wrong sort of "discussion", because I just don't think that way, as you (catweazel) seem to believe. If my words seem disrespectful to you, I apologize. They weren't meant to be. But then, I'm never claimed to be good at public debate.

Anyway, I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, because as often happens on this forum, my thoughts are discounted as invalid anyway.

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Postby kdemeoz » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:29 pm

Neil Edmond wrote:I'm going to bow out of this discussion now,..., my thoughts are discounted as invalid anyway.

No Neil, pls don't. It's not at all a case of invalidated, it's merely a discussion, in which there's multiple perspectives... which after all is the raison d'etre of even having a discussion. We can all learn from each other, which i feel is marvellous.
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Postby catweazel » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:31 pm

Neil Edmond wrote:my thoughts are discounted as invalid anyway.

That simply isn't true. I already said that if you wish to wait then that's fine by me.
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Postby Jedinovice » Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:41 pm

Re: 'PANIC!'

There is no panic because there are plenty of options and generally plenty of time but there is a case for investigating and investing in the other options now.

1) Personally speaking, it's psychological. There is a sense of "Well, if you are all in with GTK and Gnome based Mint then I rather want to go where the love is for KDE." That's no disrespect to Clem and Co who have done a great job on the Mint flavors for many years but they have decided to specialize and it makes sense to look for a KDE specialist given the QT and GTK technologies are so very different. I actually predicted this day would come. That's why I was VERY interested in Neon when it was first announced even though I did not jump at the time.

2) Some of us have had to make a decision. I had a load of laptops I suddenly had to install an OS on about four days after the "sentence of execution" was given. I wanted more time to play but, given my massive workload this year, I just ran out of time. I had to make a judgment call and I went Neon. It's worked out well so far. (I did try PCLinuxOS but it would not co-operate in the slightest!)

3) There is a logic behind looking at what is available now and not in the future. The whole purpose of Clem giving advance warning on dropping KDE is to allow us KDE stalwarts to prepare. There are likely to be two or three distro which are going to gain a lot of users from this and if we research and investigate now then those distros will gain user base and support before 18.3 expires. If people jump sooner rather than later we can help strengthen existing distros. The unhappy case of Maui (which was another shock!) goes to show what could happen if we wait until 2021 to shop around. Better to research, trial and jump now so there is a fall back position. This is strategy.

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4) It's good to discuss and SHARE. I was/am hoping that users will share experience. With time it gives us chance to try and feedback in advance. As far as I am concerned all distros are good in the sense that if people want use any particular distro then they should go for it. I mean, with my workload and being no longer working in IT setting up Arch is a non-starter. But Arch has got quite a following! Horses for courses. People's feedback on different distros here should give a good feel for what works for different people out in the different fields. I have a saying; "A man's desktop is his castle." I will be giving much more in depth feedback on Neon in the future for others to learn from... but now is not the time. It's endless classes and University submissions and this year has worn me out.

Note that I am interested in people's experience across a range of distros. I have had to make a call and gone Neon and, in the main, it's working! But that does not stop my curiosity. I still want to know about the other distros.

I want to know what Netrunner is like. And has anyone ever tried Ultimate??!!

Regarding emotions and post nuances:

Yes, text only is a nightmare. For a start, without emojis and images the poster naturally sounds more aggressive than is intended. Unless you are very careful posts can automatically sound more assertive and aggressive than intended. I am an ex-pat Brit and the British communicate by deadpan humor. A number of my posts have been misunderstood here and even edited because I have used humor in a way that was misunderstood by people! I made a joke statement on one blog and came back after a good nights sleep to a total flame fest and very nearly a warning by the moderator because my one line had been totally misunderstood! It was to do with the difference in how the words would be interpreted in British culture and across the pond in the US! I explained it was humor and what was meant and everybody calmed down and the issue went away. But it did not occur to me for an instant that my quip would be seen as aggressive.

So it's a nightmare because with posters from different countries and cultures there is also room for mis-interpretation as well!

I find anime pictures helpful for carrying over helpful cues on the nuance of my posts…

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See – all clear.

Yes, for the irony deficient, that was humor!
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