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MintBean wrote:Ubuntu is vastly superior, which is why I hang out on the Mint site.
What makes Ubuntu superior?
That is an honest question. Unless you just gotta have PPAs I don't see how it is superior.
I was joking. If the question is asked on a Mint forum, it should be pretty obvious what the majority answer will be.
You know Ubuntu PPAs are compatible with Mint, right?
Should have been more clear since a person might read that with out looking at what I said just before your "vastly superior" statement. I was speaking from the point of view of a Debian/LMDE user who doesn't use Ubuntu/Mint standard so, no, I do not have PPAs. I see how they'd be helpful but that alone isn't a selling point to me.
So more to the point, why would Ubuntu or an Ubuntu base be better than <insert distro>. I do seriously want to hear that, not just from you but anybody willing to chime in.
A few reasons for me:
1) PPAs, as mentioned. This will become less of an issue as Flatpak gains popularity.
2) Ubiquity. There's more help out there for Ubuntu. That may just be a perception, but it's the perception I currently hold.
3) Familiarity. Most of my experience is with Ubuntu. I've distro hopped a bit, but all things being equal I will stick with what I know.
4) Mint. Mint is my favourite distro so that narrows the choice to a Debian or Ubuntu base.
5) Ease of use. I borked my LMDE install trying to install Nvidia drivers. I could have persevered, but why should I when the main edition makes it easier?
MintBean wrote:A few reasons for me:
1) PPAs, as mentioned. This will become less of an issue as Flatpak gains popularity.
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Whether we're talking Flatpaks or Snaps, isn't it correct that currently neither of them are as customizable as the equivalent ppa? By that I mean snaps don't accept the user's theme. There's a GTK theme in the snap and that's all the user can use: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/use-the-sy ... heme/496/2
MintBean wrote:A few reasons for me:
1) PPAs, as mentioned. This will become less of an issue as Flatpak gains popularity.
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Whether we're talking Flatpaks or Snaps, isn't it correct that currently neither of them are as customizable as the equivalent ppa? By that I mean snaps don't accept the user's theme. There's a GTK theme in the snap and that's all the user can use: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/use-the-sy ... heme/496/2
I don't know if Flatpaks are different.
Snaps are irrelevant, and the issue generally no longer applies to flatpaks. See this link. Like everything else, flatpaks will evolve.
"There is, ultimately, only one truth -- cogito, ergo sum -- everything else is an assumption." - Me, my swansong.
I'm fairly certain you can't back this statement up. I don't see how snaps are any less relevant than flatpaks. Currently, outside of the gnome applications, there are a lot more applications available as snaps than flatpaks. Each has their own advantages and disadvantages. In the end it would really be nice to see just one take clearly win out.
When I give opinions, they are my own. Not necessarily those of any other Linux Mint developer or the Linux Mint project as a whole.
There's a lot of garbage in the snap repos at the moment-probably approaching 100 'hello world' applications.
As to which will win, it seems Snap has been set up to fail by being tied to Ubuntu servers (at least without considerable further development work.)
Choice between the two, Mint all the way, though it'd quick enough be highly customized compared to out-of-box condition and uber tweaked to be lighter-faster, more stable. For one thing converted to fully use systemd and all things sysV removed. Bunch of other stuff changed to my preferences in gnu/Linux. Default applications to anything/everything else I like to use.
Don't know if there is a simple fix for some other oddities?
1) Mouse is slower than Mint even at full settings?
2) Can't find any option to un-group running applications?
3) Nautilus has a copy function on right click but no paste function after you have copied a file?
4) The occasional hang at shutdown with it stuck on Ubuntu dots for a few minutes before it finally powers off?
I agree with Pjotr. The October releases of the different Ubuntu versions are test beds for the April releases. In this case, the April 2018 releases will have long term support and will contain some interesting Ubuntus.
Ubuntu Budgie will have a lot of new improvements and Lubuntu will be using LXQt. Might be worth giving them a try then if you like to play around with different distributions, like I do. Of course, I usually go with Mint as my main distro for stability and good looks.
kenetics wrote:I agree with Pjotr. The October releases of the different Ubuntu versions are test beds for the April releases. In this case, the April 2018 releases will have long term support and will contain some interesting Ubuntus.
Ubuntu Budgie will have a lot of new improvements and Lubuntu will be using LXQt. Might be worth giving them a try then if you like to play around with different distributions, like I do. Of course, I usually go with Mint as my main distro for stability and good looks.
It is more than just the October releases as the April release in odd numbered years is also a short term release as Ubuntu 17.04 will be unsupported sometime in January. It does give the Ubuntu developers the opportunity to get used to newer packages upstream to them. Even Unity used a lot of Gnome applications
I just noticed that in Gnome you have a copy to function on right click but you have to then click a select button on the menu of the folder to copy file over.
How messed up and crazy is that to remove a right click paste function and put it up on the window menu.
+1 on the forums mentioned earlier. Definitely impressed with how helpful Mint forums are. I'll have to admit though coming from a system admin background as with many others I've not had to be very active when it comes to requesting help. Having said this just from testing in virtualbox Ubuntu 17.10 while it looks sleek doesn't respond that well after a period of inactivity vs Mint 18.2 which is just as snappy when you come back to it after awhile (no lag vs ubuntu 17.10 which has a huge initial lag in response once it's been idle). Obviously I can't really speak from use on hardware directly with Ubuntu 17.10 at this point. However I did recently throw Mint 18.2 on a t510 HP thin client (souped up with 4GB ram and a 120GB SSD and it runs smooth as butter for web etc use (typing this post on that system right now in fact). I run it headless with xRDP/VNC and mate desktop. I've gotta say this much when it comes down to performance mate and xfce are definitely the gui choices I would go with - Cinnamon is nice but mate tends to be a bit quicker.
