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GNOME 3.28

Post by stavpup » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:42 am

GNOME 3.28 Removes Option to Put Icons on the Desktop

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/01/gnom ... moved-3-28
This feature will be added back when they implement a gnome shell extension.

This does not affect Mint as it uses Nemo and Cinnamon.

"In a detailed rationale arguing for the removal for the desktop feature GNOME developer Ernestas Kulik argues:“[The] desktop is blocking us and giving deep issues to further go forward with no direct benefit. Users have expectations for it to work decently and it’s not the case.”
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“We provide this as a optional experience, but we didn’t really fix much in the last years since it’s not part of the default experience, giving users false expectations. Also, nobody really likes to hack on that code, so nobody shown up to fix the big issues behind,” Kulik adds."

If that is the case, that code that Nemo uses as well is old and has issues.

I see similar problems in XCFE when I delete a file from the Desktop, sometimes it takes a minute to delete the file and the desktop freezes.

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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by xenopeek » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:06 pm

Nemo was forked from Nautilus 5½ years ago and has been actively developed since (almost 1.5 million lines of code have been removed and 0.5 million added). The desktop is managed by nemo-desktop process.

Your post doesn't affect anything or anybody on Linux Mint, now or in the next 2½ years. Upcoming Linux Mint 19 will use Gnome 3.26. Moving this to Chat about Linux instead because of that.

While some people manage a workflow with icons on the Gnome Shell desktop, I'd suggest Cinnamon is much better suited for that particular workflow.

Having used Gnome Shell since early 2014, I really don't get the use for icons on the desktop :)
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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by aes2011 » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:51 pm

xenopeek wrote:... Upcoming Linux Mint 19 will use Gnome 3.26. ...
But isn't Ubuntu 18.04 slated to use gtk 3.22? See http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/cu ... 4.manifest.

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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by xenopeek » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:07 pm

Gtk ≠ Gnome
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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by JosephM » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:41 pm

Your post doesn't affect anything or anybody on Linux Mint, now or in the next 2½ years. Upcoming Linux Mint 19 will use Gnome 3.26. Moving this to Chat about Linux instead because of that.
This really doesn't have any effect on Linux Mint but I'd imagine Ubuntu 18.04 will be using Gnome 3.28.
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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by xenopeek » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:46 pm

I thought I had read they would use Gnome 3.26. Full freeze ahead of 3.28 release is early March. That sounds a little late for inclusion in 18.04.
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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by stavpup » Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:46 pm

xenopeek wrote:Nemo was forked from Nautilus 5½ years ago and has been actively developed since (almost 1.5 million lines of code have been removed and 0.5 million added). The desktop is managed by nemo-desktop process.

Your post doesn't affect anything or anybody on Linux Mint, now or in the next 2½ years. Upcoming Linux Mint 19 will use Gnome 3.26. Moving this to Chat about Linux instead because of that.

While some people manage a workflow with icons on the Gnome Shell desktop, I'd suggest Cinnamon is much better suited for that particular workflow.

Having used Gnome Shell since early 2014, I really don't get the use for icons on the desktop :)
Interesting stats, how many millions of code does nemo have?

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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by xenopeek » Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:53 pm

You can access the code here if you want to count it in detail https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo. I don't know. The stats I gave were the cumulative over that 5½ year period, taken from the commit logs (I excluded the initial commit of forking Nautilus). Code gets removed and added with every release. You remove the bits that don't work well and add other bits that work better.
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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by stavpup » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:04 pm

xenopeek wrote:You can access the code here if you want to count it in detail https://github.com/linuxmint/nemo. I don't know. The stats I gave were the cumulative over that 5½ year period, taken from the commit logs (I excluded the initial commit of forking Nautilus). Code gets removed and added with every release. You remove the bits that don't work well and add other bits that work better.
I used this site to count the lines of code in linuxmint/nemo

https://codetabs.com/count-loc/count-loc-online.html

It counts 125.000 lines of code, no way near the 0.5 million mark

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Re: GNOME 3.28

Post by JosephM » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:28 pm

xenopeek wrote:I thought I had read they would use Gnome 3.26. Full freeze ahead of 3.28 release is early March. That sounds a little late for inclusion in 18.04.
That's possible but they put 3.26 in 17.10 on the same short timeline. My assumption was since they were a gnome shell distro now they would ship the latest version. Could certainly be wrong on that though.
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