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Where to buy

Post by wf54 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:23 pm

After two days of trying to bypass the secure boot on the HP that I purchased, I gave up and sent it back.
Yes I disabled the secure boot and changed the boot order, more than once, used five os and and just to make sure two different USB sticks.
With Microsoft's change of policy and their ability to print money due to them having some say over access keys, that cost around a hundred dollars a pop.
With many of the manufacturers not enabling a disable feature for the secure boot it becoming difficult to find a good PC from the big players who appear to be following the MS party line.
Would these specs below from CCL computers be value for money.

This machine looks OK to me, but I don't know anything about CCL.
Having no operating system should make it a simple mater of sticking in the USB and pressing go, or is it?

cclonline
Alpha Pro Family
CPU
AMD A10 9700 3.5GHz
RAM
8GB DDR4 2133MHz
Storage
128GB SATA III SSD
1TB HDD
Wi-Fi
300Mbps Built-in Wi-Fi
Three year collect/return to base.
£372.99

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Re: Where to buy

Post by jwrober » Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:53 pm

Dell is a major player and is Linux friendly. Might want to check them out.

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Re: Where to buy

Post by wf54 » Thu Jan 18, 2018 7:27 pm

I asked Dell regarding Linux because they do Linux laptops, but didn't see anything about no operating system and didn't get a very helpful answer.
I haven't seen anything yet to see if Dell are going to tow the line and follow Microsoft's example by not providing the 'optional' disable feature.
Depends if Microsoft and Dell are happy together in the four poster.

Microsoft are one of the issuing authorities for the UEFI software key for software to be recognised by the UEFI.
Whatever happened to 'conflict of interest'?

It costs around a hundred dollars for the software key, talk about printing your own money.

Not even sure if this is legal in Europe, remember the browser wars.

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Re: Where to buy

Post by michael louwe » Fri Jan 19, 2018 4:02 am

@ wf54, .......
wf54 wrote:...
Are you sure that new HP Win 10 computers do not allow Secure Boot to be disabled.?

AFAIK, certain OEM Win 8.x/10 computers, eg Acer, Asus and HP, require the users to set the UEFI/BIOS Supervisory password before they can access Secure Boot and the obstructive or pro-M$ BIOS setting for "select an UEFI file as trusted for executing",(= Linux cannot boot). For the fix, please refer to ...
https://itsfoss.com/no-bootable-device-found-ubuntu/
viewtopic.php?t=236560

The above latest(= 2017) OEM laptops, eg Acer E and S series, may have even removed the latter BIOS setting(eg "No bootable device" after installing Linux and cannot be fixed), but may be restored by a new BIOS firmware update from the OEMs = update through Windows only. This was after many complaints from affected users. ...
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=254948
... Another workaround is ...
https://askubuntu.com/questions/862946/ ... re-es1-533

Sometimes to boot from the Live LM USB Flash-drive in new Acer computers, eg Acer ES 15, you need to enable the F12 boot menu in the Main section of the BIOS setup, then pressed F12 instead of F2 during power up. Will then be given the option of Windows Boot Manager or Linux(Flash-drive).
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According to this link dated 2 Jan 2018 ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2381607 , Ubuntu 17.10(= kernel 4.13) and 16.04.3(= kernel 4.10 = LM 18.3) could not run properly on the 7th-gen AMD A10 9700 APU processor.

According to this link dated Oct 2017 ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2373414 , even the 6th-gen AMD A10 8700 APU processor could not run properly on Ubuntu 17.10.

I think the mainstream AMD CPU should have better support from the newer Linux kernels.

So, better to go to a brick-n-mortar computer retail store and request to test-run a Live LM 18.3 USB/DVD on a new computer before buying it.
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Having no operating system should make it a simple mater of sticking in the USB and pressing go, or is it?
For a dual-drives UEFI computer, the users need to use the manual "Something else" install method, partition the disk accordingly and ensure that the "Device for boot loader installation" is the EFI System(or Boot) Partition = fat32/550MB/mount point is boot/efi, which should be at the beginning of the 1st hard-disk/drive. Please refer to ... https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2147295

https://nwrickert2.wordpress.com/2013/0 ... and-linux/

https://askubuntu.com/questions/380447/ ... ew-machine

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Re: Where to buy

Post by wf54 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:03 pm

The secure boot seemed the obvious reason, but I didn't know of the A10 problems.
Duel boot is the last thing I want to do, I don't want Win 10 in any form.
Reading and understanding some of it, it appears that it would be better to stay away from AMD.

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Re: Where to buy

Post by Fred Barclay » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:35 pm

wf54 wrote: Reading and understanding some of it, it appears that it would be better to stay away from AMD.
I would agree about AMD/ATI video cards if you plan on using the proprietary video drivers, since they don't support Linux drivers as long as Nvidea does. But AMD processors are quite all right, in my opinion.
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Re: Where to buy

Post by majpooper » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:39 pm

I have seen a few good reviews and have considered ordering my next PC/laptop from here
https://zareason.com/ultralap-5440.html

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Re: Where to buy

Post by JerryF » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:47 pm

I've ordered both my Gateway tower (new) and HP laptop (refurbished) from
http://www.tigerdirect.com/

You can get some great deals and I've never had a problem with the company.
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Re: Where to buy

Post by michael louwe » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:58 pm

@ wf54, .......
wf54 wrote:Duel boot is the last thing I want to do, I don't want Win 10 in any form.
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If a UEFI dual-drives computer and single-booting LM, you can opt for the default UEFI mode install or Legacy BIOS mode install.

If UEFI mode install, first ensure that Secure Boot, Fast Boot and CSM(or Legacy BIOS) are disabled, and the Live LM USB/DVD is booted in UEFI mode. Use the manual "Something else" install option, create the EFI Boot Partition at the beginning of the 1st hard-drive/disk and ensure that the "Device for boot loader installation" is this partition.
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It takes about 9 months for the Linux kernel team to provide full support for the latest mainstream computers, eg the latest Intel 8th-gen Coffee Lake-based computers are not yet fully supported by Linux. So, you should look for new computers that are still based on 1 year old models, eg those that come with Intel 7th-gen Kabylake or 6th-gen Skylake processors.
... I think Intel and Dell provide better cooperation to Linux, compared to AMD and HP.

Non-mainstream computers are the All-in-One's, 2-in-1 Win 8.x/10 tablets, NUC's, Intel Atom netbooks, etc.

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Re: Where to buy [SOLVED]

Post by wf54 » Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:25 pm

Thanks good advice.
It may be imagination or my last remaining grey cell has shrunk, probably the latter, but since I last installed mint 8 things have become a just a shade more complex.
For what started as a simple twist about Microsoft it's become quite informative.
Thanks to all.
When I decide on which system to go for, if I get into bother I'll scream help.
I believe that anyone in the same boat regarding installing should find some help here.
Although regarding 'Where to Buy' :?: ;
It's a lottery, pay your money and take a chance. :?
Thanks to ALL for your time.

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