The CSD Initiative Is Pushing For Apps To Abandon Title Bars In Favor Of Header Bars

[stavpup]

Interesting read

https://blogs.gnome.org/tbernard/2018/0 ... nitiative/

[whm1974]

Personally I don't see what is wrong with title bars at all.

[Penn]

Sounds like Gnome is just pushing for some of the very things some people hate about Gnome.

There is a reason Cinnamon and Mate exist.

[catweazel]

Sounds like Gnome is just pushing for some of the very things some people hate about Gnome.

+1

[Lucap]

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page= ... Ds-Wayland

KWin Developer's Response To The GNOME CSD Initiative.

[stavpup]

Here is a video for our amusement, Ubuntu Unity Locally Integrated Menus, 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teAFgtHWDso

[whm1974]

I could be wrong, but I'm thinking that this CSD Initiative will not see much use outside of Gnome, and I am just wondering if this is just a case of change for the sake of change?

Meanwhile, I will continue to use Xfce.

[MintBean]

Sounds a bit selfish trying to push things upstream. Less work for paid Gnome devs, more work for unpaid developers on other distros.

[bjmh46]

I was always a fan of gedit. In mint 18.x, the version in the repository uses CSD. (client-side-decoration) I voiced an opinion on this before on this forum. Thankfully we have the Mint devs providing us with xapps!

Bob

[stavpup]

Personally I don't see what is wrong with title bars at all.

It is wasted space specially in 15" monitors. I like CSD but it is up to the devs ...

[BG405]

I like the consistency of title bars. They can be shrunk or hidden to minimize impact on screen space. CSD may make it easier for developers to make their interface unique but I feel it also invites divergence from the familiar UI experience.

[Portreve]

Here's my issue with Header Bars as illustrated above: as a purely functional thing, it can be a challenge to grab a window for purposes of moving it around on the screen without accidentally clicking on elements (buttons, text fields, etc.) in that area, particularly when one crowds up the damn header area. If you're at the top of the window with your cursor, it's almost certain the thing you want to functionally do is re-position the window, and having to avoid other "tasks" to accomplish that is ridiculous.

Gnome has gotten wrong a great many things, in my opinion, since the 3.x migration. Honestly, as much to send a message as to leverage other capabilities, I really wish LM and other non Gnome 3-using desktop environment groups would migrate to KDE, or even perhaps write their own universal replacement for that stuff, and leave Gnome sitting there to look like the idiots they often are.

This is a really frustrating thing for me on a philosophical basis.

I like the consistency of title bars. They can be shrunk or hidden to minimize impact on screen space. CSD may make it easier for developers to make their interface unique but I feel it also invites divergence from the familiar UI experience.

Yes, this. Exactly.

The entire point of Xerox's and then Apple's GUI design rules was to produce an intuitive interface which was absolutely and universally consistent. Notwithstanding other negatives about Apple and their business decisions and then later their business practices, this was a very, very good idea. Walking away from it, which is what "Just put it all in the CSD-driven header" is just asking for trouble, just like in political circles saying that privitization is the omnibus solution to all of our governmental, political, and social problems.

[Portreve]

In the previous post, I said I wished LinuxMint would "migrate to KDE". That was a brain fart on my part.

I do not want LM to migrate to KDE.

I want LM to migrate to Qt.

Apologies to anyone who read this and was confused or misled.