2. difficult to explain or understand; strange or curious.
A woman being smarter than a man is neither funny haha, strange or curious, nor difficult to explain or understand. It must be sexism.
Please no political correctness and SJW terror on this forum....
lol - it isn't either. It's an observation.
Stereotypes (and strangely hypocritical offense-mongers) aside my dad can happily put together anything electrical and a third of anything electronic.... but software completely baffles him, my mom on the other hand cant understand either electrics or electronics but she can mostly manage GUI's. Obviously neither could ever handle a cli.... my biggest problems are my dad never deletes anything and my mom deletes everything foreign....
It's not even that. It's jumping to conclusions. See the reaction of rambo919.
That's rather a prevalent attitude not only in the society at large but also reflected in these forums. Many people refer in their posts to their wives as "the wife" as if they were things like the car, the house, the bike...
I'm not seeing why it's funny that people have different abilities... that's just a fact. Not a big deal, I was merely curious. *shrug*rambo919 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 5:19 amStereotypes (and strangely hypocritical offense-mongers) aside my dad can happily put together anything electrical and a third of anything electronic.... but software completely baffles him, my mom on the other hand cant understand either electrics or electronics but she can mostly manage GUI's. Obviously neither could ever handle a cli.... my biggest problems are my dad never deletes anything and my mom deletes everything foreign....
Yes, but that's a 1938 Jaguar. That doesn't count.
lolPjotr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 6:11 amYes, but that's a 1938 Jaguar. That doesn't count.
1) Hardware support (Wifi and video drivers are a case in point)vladtepes wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:05 pmWe've discussed elsewhere the impediments to getting people to try Linux.
There are three types of computer users:
1. Those who will never try Linux (for reasons in the 'what stops Linux becoming more mainstream' thread)
2. Those who try Linux and run away back to the 'safety' of Windows (or Mac)
3. Those who stick with Linux.
Looking at user group 2 - what reasons do you think send new people running away from Linux?
I think this is the area most important to address, more so than trying to attract higher number of new users in the first instance, because:
- People who go back to another OS will tell their story and discourage others from trying Linux, and
- Higher conversion rates will get the "Linux IS worth it' message out there...
Anyway I think that one of the biggest problems is that someone may find their existing hardware (often expensive existing hardware) not compatible withy Linux. eg if they can't get on line because their wifi receiver isn't compatible.
ABSOLUTELY!! Could not have said it better.ZakGordon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 01, 2018 4:58 amComing to Mint (a couple of years back now) from decades of Windows (since W98se) familiarity, I would say the command line is the most awkward aspect to deal with.
I was lucky in that Mint 17.1 installed without issue on my laptop (i had a couple of good website links in setting up my hardrive for that as well), and had some questions answered promptly on the forums here (thanks Pjotr!).
I expect that if i had some serious troubles, and then had to go inputting lots of 'weird stuff' into the command line and then copy/paste those details on the forums etc, i 'might' have ended back on Windows!
So the lesson here is it needs to work first time (in an ideal world). Or work far more often than not.
I had noticed with the release of Mint 19 there seems to be more people having issues, and that should be a concern for the Mint team? Maybe IF 19 is looking more problematic than previous recent versions we should recommend people start with the older versions (so from where? 17.3 or maybe one of the 18 versions?), if coming from Windows and looking to try Mint for the very first time?
But yeah that command line is a TERROR for habitual Windows users (that also have little or none programming experience). The less we get them ('us' as i was one of them!) to use that the better, until they have found their feet a little.
So put in CD/USB, install Mint, reboot and computer 'just works' = the best situation
Brilliant post! Yes, I completely agree here. Winders just works. No command line tinkering, no going under the hood to tinker with something, no having to write a script to get your wifi working. Linux, take heed!rambo919 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 4:52 amThese days there is the added problem of certain standards like inits, display managers, important packages being deprecated either fast or slow (unity and gksudo being the best examples) and LTS bases changing and most previous forums and tutorials being rather useless..... what common noob under the sun will be able to deal with that level of complexity let alone realize he will now have to limit all search engine results to younger than a year ago IF he makes it that far? I dread the day that the potential general switchover to wayland actually happens.
Then there is the fact that Microsoft has managed to solidly corner the portable segment even though half the time it takes up way too much space and other resources to run on such devices.... think about that for a minute. M$ can reach places that the global Linux community cannot because it actually has properly organized end goals nvm that half of those are moronic if you look at it on the surface.... you have to admire even a moron for actually getting done what he sets out to do and fear him if he was only pretending to be a moron but that's another discussion. Not everything M$ gets done it manages by being underhanded, that's the reactionary mindset of the sore looser at best and willfully deceiving at worst.
The only reason people stuck with M$ till now is mostly everything just worked without having to think too deeply about it.... telling these people to RTFM or google everything is EXACTLY the type of thing to keep them in the arms of the devil. The only thing that will get them to leave those arms is M$ completely alienating them winch win10 is being fabulously successful with, some of those would gladly flee to mac except they cannot afford it and some of those only went to M$ because it simply was cheaper. Most people are sheep, telling a sheep to think for himself will cause him to find the closest sheppard even if that sheppard wants to fleece him. He will also refuse to believe the sheepdog is in cahoots with the sheppard but that's also another discussion.
BTW there is also a fourth group, the subgroup of group 3 that gets irritated and ragequits Linux because it's too much effort and there is more to life than continually wrestling with your computer. Struggling to make a PC behave predictably is fun for some yes but gets old real fast for others who tend to view the former lot as strange at best and masochists at worst.
Two things here:Pjotr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:44 amTeething troubles of a brand-new LTS series, plaguing some early adopters...gm10 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:04 am2. I guess Linux Mint 19 specifically made a lot of people run back to Windows. With the installer creating an unbootable system due to grub2 not installing from the originals isos, the near unbootable systems due to the revoked -24 kernel that Mint's updater nevertheless installed, the hoops you've got to jump through to successfully enable hibernation and sometimes even to just make suspend work, etc. made this release one of the more painful ones.