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How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by AZgl1500 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:46 pm

I read about Kali Linux can be used to "monitor" WiFi connections....
being as I have never delved into that topic, I thought I would load Kali up into Virtualbox and just look at it.
But, I never got far enough to see anything.

I made a search for passwords on their forum, did not find anything relative to username/password assignment during an install. So, I posted in the newbie section, and got an instant reprimand for daring to use their forum at all.

https://i.imgur.com/4KNFXSS.png

at this point, I have deleted the Kail ISO, and piss on their forum...
I will never, ever, go back again.

Here is what I wrote that deserved the above treatment.

Original Post:
https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?p=81929
Xcfe 64b Graphical Install Mode:

I have installed Kali Xcfe 64bit three times and it only asks me to install a Root password.

then after the install is done, it asks for a username and password, and I have never been asked to provide that information.

I am installing into Virtualbox to test it out first before I burn it to the hard drive.
surely this is not supposed to be this hard to do?


EDIT: I tried to post the above link as an image, but got a report that images can only be 480 pixels high?
Never ran into that before, is that only for this one sub-forum?

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Re: How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by Flemur » Thu Sep 06, 2018 8:47 pm

AZgl1500 wrote:
Thu Sep 06, 2018 7:46 pm
Xcfe 64b Graphical Install Mode:
I have installed Kali Xcfe 64bit three times and it only asks me to install a Root password.
then after the install is done, it asks for a username and password, and I have never been asked to provide that information
Their "Hard Disk Install" instructions
https://docs.kali.org/installation/kali ... sk-install
about half-way down, #6 & #7, has title "Next, provide a full name for a non-root user for the system." and the picture says "Setup users and passwords" but never mentions a password, just usernames.

So, their install GUI doesn't match their documentation very well.

I can understand why they want you to look up stuff first - there are a lot of posts here where I answer something like "Here's the answer(s) I got from a internet search on [the error message they posted]".

Better yet
https://xkcd.com/627/
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Re: How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by Pierre » Thu Sep 06, 2018 9:29 pm

yeah - - that does happen.
:(

some N00Bs don't have the skill set to work out the nitty-gritty issues that come with LINUX,
or with Windows, for that matter. :o

sometimes they wish to replicate something on Linux, that they can already do on the Windows system,
and when they can't & the forum members don't know either,,
then they leave, with a Bad Impression - - it happens, but that can the forum members do about that ?.

but - you issue with Kali, is something that shouldn't happen, on any forum.
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Re: How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by trytip » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:07 pm

this is about as friendly as arch forums. :roll: this user asks a question and the answer is "google it" :lol:
https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php? ... t-password

at least he was provided some links but these are just google searches. what makes me laugh is the the answer came from a junior member with less than 20 days in the forum. i got the same reaction from arch forums, but i was an assole to begin with. i mean i only joined to be picky and point out arch elites are [use your imagination]
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Post by aes2011 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:16 pm

The top-rated answer here will give some perspective: https://unix.stackexchange.com/question ... le-help-me

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Post by all41 » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:54 pm

A farmer takes his crosscut saw in to be sharpened.
After asking how much wood the farmer cuts the clerk suggests a chainsaw will quadruple his output.
The farmer buys the saw but brings it back the next day for a refund telling the clerk he can't cut
nearly as much wood as he could with his old crosscut saw.
The clerk says--well let's see what the problem is, pulls the rope and the chainsaw starts.
The farmer jumps back saying "What's that noise?"

Snarky I suppose, just saying Kali folks are pretty much ozoners.
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Post by richyrich » Thu Sep 06, 2018 10:55 pm

Haha, brings back some memories alright! Back when I was on Mint 7 or 8, I installed Debian for a friend who wanted to try it. Seeking a little help with his hardware, I surfed, searched and read some of the threads on the Debian forums.
After reading a few of the replies from some of the veteran members to some of the newbies . . I talked my friend into using Mint instead. :shock:

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Re: How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by aes2011 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 12:32 am

From https://docs.kali.org/introduction/shou ... kali-linux
What’s Different About Kali Linux?
Kali Linux is specifically geared to meet the requirements of professional penetration testing and security auditing.

...

As the distribution’s developers, you might expect us to recommend that everyone should be using Kali Linux. The fact of the matter is, however, that Kali is a Linux distribution specifically geared towards professional penetration testers and security specialists, and given its unique nature, it is NOT a recommended distribution if you’re unfamiliar with Linux or are looking for a general-purpose Linux desktop distribution for development, web design, gaming, etc.

...

If you are unfamiliar with Linux generally, if you do not have at least a basic level of competence in administering a system, if you are looking for a Linux distribution to use as a learning tool to get to know your way around Linux, or if you want a distro that you can use as a general purpose desktop installation, Kali Linux is probably not what you are looking for.

...

In addition, misuse of security and penetration testing tools within a network, particularly without specific authorization, may cause irreparable damage and result in significant consequences, personal and/or legal. “Not understanding what you were doing” is not going to work as an excuse.

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Re: How to Spoil the Stew, and guarantee a new user will never come back

Post by Faust » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:33 am

It may come across as harsh , but some forums have a low tolerance for endless questions on topics
that have previously been answered in detail .
There may be little patience for newcomers who want "hand-holding " and who have not even bothered to
search the forum for the answers they so urgently want .

Kali forum is a case in point .
There is no love for "Mr Robot" wannabes and script kiddies who believe that Kali is a " bad-ass " distro
and who arrive expecting to get a personal one-to-one tuition course .

That is not to excuse rudeness and lack of manners , but every forum is effectively it's own little kingdom.
If people don't like what they find , they are free to never visit again .

This forum is something of an exception in being very friendly and tolerant to newcomers .
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Post by AZgl1500 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:47 am

I'm glad to see that my take on this is not "out of line".

I did a lot of research when looking at Linux Distros, and the forums played very heavily in my decision as to which distro I would go with.

I first found Mint to have the best forum of the crop, and then I found Cinnamon to be a desktop that an old MS IT tech support person could adjust to with a minimum of effort.

When computers first came out for us lowly home users, my very first complaint, and I made it Loud and Clear,
Why the hell don't all computer languages use the same command set so that we don't have to relearn everything all over again?

Control-P should mean "Print" in all computer languages, and so forth....

oh well, Kali need not worry about me darkening their doors again, they spoiled the stew, before the water even began to get warm.

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Post by gm10 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:52 am

AZgl1500, just stick with us here. You are a good guy, but many people just want to get work done. Kali is not what you are looking for. They are not looking for you, either.

If you want to "monitor" Wifi connections (I take it you want to hack your neighbor's wifi) then you can do that with Mint, too. But my heartfelt recommendation to you is: just don't. ;)

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Post by lsemmens » Fri Sep 07, 2018 3:29 am

Faust wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:33 am
It may come across as harsh , but some forums have a low tolerance for endless questions on topics
that have previously been answered in detail .
There may be little patience for newcomers who want "hand-holding " and who have not even bothered to
search the forum for the answers they so urgently want .

Kali forum is a case in point .
There is no love for "Mr Robot" wannabes and script kiddies who believe that Kali is a " bad-ass " distro
and who arrive expecting to get a personal one-to-one tuition course .

That is not to excuse rudeness and lack of manners , but every forum is effectively it's own little kingdom.
If people don't like what they find , they are free to never visit again .

This forum is something of an exception in being very friendly and tolerant to newcomers .
Amen to all of that! I agree completely. Even Ubuntu forums are not as friendly and helpful as here. That said, I've not had any problems when I did hang around those forums - I just did not stay. Every forum goes through stages even here, I joined several years ago but found no real desire to stay back then, the membership has changed, although there are still some old faces around, we have all matured in that time, and, as such have different requirements/expectations than we had ten years ago. Every "club" has its members, and those members feel very comfortable in that "club". If you don't like the "club" you are free to join another.
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Post by Valsodar » Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:09 am

Faust wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 2:33 am
This forum is something of an exception in being very friendly and tolerant to newcomers .
That's because most people here still remember what it feels like to be a newbie and that no one was born taught. That's why after trying about a dozen distroes I came back to Mint. First, Mint is the most user friendly distro I could find and secondly, whenever I can't find the solution on Google, people here tend to answer, unless the problem is something they've never come across.
Manjaro's forums aren't much more friendly than Kali's or the original Arch forums. Especially the original Arch forum - that's a nightmare for the newbie. It's even more "fun" when almost everywhere on Facebook groups you get "Try Arch" and when you try it, the answer in their forum is either "google it" or "go back to [your previous distro that led you to arch]".

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Post by Hoser Rob » Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:11 am

Kali does include all the hacking tools but that does NOT make it user friendly, it's far from it. ALso, if that's what you want, I fail to see what it does that you couldn't do in any other Linux distro by just installing those same tools. So, IMO, pointless like most Linux distros.

I also think Kali gives Linux a bad name so it's worse than pointless.

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Post by coffee412 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:07 am

It certainly can be tough out there in some of the forums. I think a lot of beginners will try some advanced flavor of linux and not understand it. Then they ask the noob questions and get the rude replies. After that they gravitate back to windows.

I have found LM to be a great forum. Also, LM is probably the best O/S around for beginners. What I have always found kinda weird is that a lot of blogs focus on ubuntu. I am not a fan at all of ubuntu as I came here from the big fight over the unity desktop and the gnome 3 deal. When I got vocal in the ubuntu forums about unity being the default desktop I was attacked (like others) from all sides. Finally had to just write ubuntu off.
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Post by 151tom » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:08 am

I've run into jackasses on every forum I've been to and some more than others.

Luck of the draw I would imagine.

I understand that the forums team members are doing this voluntarily although some of them have absolutely no people skills and just don't give a crap.

I guess I kinda understand because I know dealing with people as myself does take patience although if a person is going to volunteer their time to help than they shouldn't act like jackasses.

I believe all forum help people sometimes forget that everyone starts out as a "Newbie" and that a little bit of help when requested isn't asking to much.

I've learned to just search the forums for help as I got tied of creating new email accounts and passwords after being banned for telling someone to F.O. when trying to act as though they were someone of authority.

Forums are forums and some are a wealth of useful information although a lot are a waste time and full of crap.


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Post by Moem » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:12 am

151tom wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:08 am
I understand that the forums team members are doing this voluntarily although some of them have absolutely no people skills and just don't give a crap.
Wow, that's pretty harsh. I don't think that anyone would volunteer their time and energy if they really didn't care. And I sincerely hope that if you've run into a problem with a moderator here on the Mint forum, you've taken it up with an admin.
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Post by HaveaMint » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:33 am

Moem wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:12 am
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Post by Moem » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:39 am

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Post by catweazel » Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:41 am

151tom wrote:
Fri Sep 07, 2018 9:08 am
I understand that the forums team members are doing this voluntarily although some of them have absolutely no people skills and just don't give a crap.

I believe all forum help people sometimes forget that everyone starts out as a "Newbie" and that a little bit of help when requested isn't asking to much.

I've learned to just search the forums for help as I got tied of creating new email accounts and passwords after being banned for telling someone to F.O. when trying to act as though they were someone of authority.
Perhaps the problem isn't other people.

On a similar note, you cannot change others, but you have full control of your reaction.
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