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Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by athi » Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:24 am

https://news.softpedia.com/news/ubuntu- ... 6985.shtml

Looks like native ZFS support will be coming to Ubuntu soon. What are your opinions on ZFS?
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by gm10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:07 am

Not surprising, Ubuntu added binary ZFS modules with 16.04 and last year they added ZFS root support to their Curtin installer. I doubt they'll get that ready in time for 20.04/Mint 20 though.

As to ZFS, it's got the problematic licensing situation, which is why not everybody supports it, but on the technical side it's proven reliable. Meanwhile RHEL/Fedora are doing their own thing with their XFS-based userspace Stratis volume management. The only thing everybody seems to agree on is that BTRFS will never get done.
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:28 am

If it's not GPL'd, I've no interest in it.
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by athi » Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:23 am

Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:28 am
If it's not GPL'd, I've no interest in it.
In principle, I also prefer GPL but in my case practicality does override principle. As with Windows and 3rd party software in Mint, there are times when I have to use Windows for certain software and I do install 3rd party software in Mint. ZFS combination of reliability and features cannot be found in other FS. If BTRFS ever get completed (years down the road, if ever as gm10 stated), it would be my choice over ZFS. But even then, it would take many years of actual usage for me to fully trust BTRFS.
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by gm10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:39 am

athi wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:23 am
ZFS combination of reliability and features cannot be found in other FS. If BTRFS ever get completed (years down the road, if ever as gm10 stated), it would be my choice over ZFS. But even then, it would take many years of actual usage for me to fully trust BTRFS.
Another very interesting contender is bcachefs, which his currently being reviewed for inclusion in the kernel.
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by athi » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:08 am

gm10 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 9:39 am
athi wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:23 am
ZFS combination of reliability and features cannot be found in other FS. If BTRFS ever get completed (years down the road, if ever as gm10 stated), it would be my choice over ZFS. But even then, it would take many years of actual usage for me to fully trust BTRFS.
Another very interesting contender is bcachefs, which his currently being reviewed for inclusion in the kernel.
Thank you for the info, first time I have heard of bcachefs. Looks to have all the features set but still in development and should be ready before btrfs :wink:
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by EmaRsk » Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:51 am

Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:28 am
If it's not GPL'd, I've no interest in it.
That's interesting. So I guess you're also not using Wayland, the various x11 libraries, xauth, xserver, xfonts, etc., neither OpenSSL or LibreSSL, sudo, zlib, neither wget or curl, ncurses, Python, Lua, Ruby, Vim, Neovim, bind9, file, fontconfig, libpcre, xdg-utils, …

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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:33 pm

EmaRsk wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:51 am
Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 7:28 am
If it's not GPL'd, I've no interest in it.
That's interesting. So I guess you're also not using Wayland, the various x11 libraries, xauth, xserver, xfonts, etc., neither OpenSSL or LibreSSL, sudo, zlib, neither wget or curl, ncurses, Python, Lua, Ruby, Vim, Neovim, bind9, file, fontconfig, libpcre, xdg-utils, …
I suppose I was using "GPL'd" a bit more broadly than translated to what I wrote. I meant any legitimate libre license (GPL, Apache, etc.)

I have no interest in going down the garden path on every single one to see what specific license it uses.

As a matter of fact, I don't use wget, curl, ncurses, Python, etc. What makes you think I would?
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by gm10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:33 pm
I suppose I was using "GPL'd" a bit more broadly than translated to what I wrote. I meant any legitimate libre license (GPL, Apache, etc.)
ZFS is licensed under the CDDL, which is considered a libre license, just one incompatible with the GPL by some:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-li ... leLicenses
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As a matter of fact, I don't use wget, curl, ncurses, Python, etc. What makes you think I would?
Because the software you are using does.
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:56 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:37 pm
Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:33 pm
I suppose I was using "GPL'd" a bit more broadly than translated to what I wrote. I meant any legitimate libre license (GPL, Apache, etc.)
ZFS is licensed under the CDDL, which is considered a libre license, just one incompatible with the GPL by some:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-li ... leLicenses
Fair enough.
Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:33 pm
As a matter of fact, I don't use wget, curl, ncurses, Python, etc. What makes you think I would?
Because the software you are using does.
Splitting hairs much? :lol:

Actually, I answered that on the basis that I personally don't use any of the programming-related stuff. I guess the question could be interpreted more broadly than that. :lol:
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by gm10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 4:36 pm

Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 3:56 pm
Splitting hairs much? :lol:

Actually, I answered that on the basis that I personally don't use any of the programming-related stuff. I guess the question could be interpreted more broadly than that. :lol:
I'm not using gasoline, my car does? Hmm, ok, if I really cared I think we'd have to have a discussion about who is splitting the hairs, but nah. ;)
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:08 pm

"I use gasoline" could mean:

• They are doing maintenance work and gasoline is their cleaning substance of choice (on a motor, for example)
• They like to inhale the vapors to get high, so it's essentially "using" in the same sense as a narcotic

There may also be some kind of edge cases, but...
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have a discussion about who is splitting the hairs
Oh, yeah. That. :shock: Right. :lol:
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by gm10 » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:11 pm

Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:08 pm
• They like to inhale the vapors to get high, so it's essentially "using" in the same sense as a narcotic
Suddenly a lot of things are starting to make sense. :lol: :twisted:
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:15 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:11 pm
Portreve wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:08 pm
• They like to inhale the vapors to get high, so it's essentially "using" in the same sense as a narcotic
Suddenly a lot of things are starting to make sense. :lol: :twisted:
:mrgreen:
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Re: Ubuntu 19.10 to offer experimental support for ZFS

Post by Portreve » Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:26 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 6:11 pm
Suddenly a lot of things are starting to make sense. :lol: :twisted:
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