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Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox for VBoxVGA driver only

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:01 am

I just updated VBox and got popup message telling me that 3D hardware acceleration is being removed in release 6.1, consequently saved snapshots will no longer work. To rub it in, Oracle have disabled hardware acceleration in 6.0.12, making using a VBox VM for games completely useless.
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Reason: Title: appended " for VBoxVGA driver only" to the title to make clear that Oracle has not gone nuts and is not going to remove 3D acceleration as such, only for an outdated graphics driver
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by Pierre » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 am

so that's at least One Laptop that won't get "upgraded" from VB6.0.0.1
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by coffee412 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:56 am

What is their reasoning for this?

Not that I play any games on my windows VM. I use it mostly for testing and troubleshooting. Heaven forbid I use windows for any real work that I need done ;)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:08 am

coffee412 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:56 am
What is their reasoning for this?

Not that I play any games on my windows VM. I use it mostly for testing and troubleshooting. Heaven forbid I use windows for any real work that I need done ;)
I searched go-ogle but could find nothing. My guess is they got sick of it crashing and took the easy way out.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:13 am

Pierre wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 am
so that's at least One Laptop that won't get "upgraded" from VB6.0.0.1
:mrgreen:
I don't blame you. Stupid me... normally I keep the installer but after the last install I deleted it because I figured I never re-used it - lol - so now I'm installing Windwoes 7 on VMware Player.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by altair4 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:26 am

https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94564
"This VM is configured to use 3D acceleration using the VBoxVGA graphics controller. Support for this will be removed with version 6.1.0. ALL saved states and snapshots will cease to work when using this configuration. Either switch to the VBoxSVGA (or VMSVGA) graphics controller and update guest additions, or disable 3D acceleration."
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by coffee412 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:48 am

catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:13 am
Pierre wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 am
so that's at least One Laptop that won't get "upgraded" from VB6.0.0.1
:mrgreen:
I don't blame you. Stupid me... normally I keep the installer but after the last install I deleted it because I figured I never re-used it - lol - so now I'm installing Windwoes 7 on VMware Player.
@catweazel - How do you like VMware? Any pros and cons you care to list. Interesting thought also - If I switched to VMW how does that affect Windows licensing? Does it invalidate it because windows might see it as a hardware change? Oh, Of course - Can you export/import a VB image to VMW?
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:56 am

coffee412 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:48 am
catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:13 am
Pierre wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 7:39 am
so that's at least One Laptop that won't get "upgraded" from VB6.0.0.1
:mrgreen:
I don't blame you. Stupid me... normally I keep the installer but after the last install I deleted it because I figured I never re-used it - lol - so now I'm installing Windwoes 7 on VMware Player.
@catweazel - How do you like VMware? Any pros and cons you care to list. Interesting thought also - If I switched to VMW how does that affect Windows licensing? Does it invalidate it because windows might see it as a hardware change? Oh, Of course - Can you export/import a VB image to VMW?
I'm fighting with it right now. It wants to disconnect my motherboard from the host and attach it to the guest, for crying out loud. It's died on me a couple of times and I'm on my 4th attempt to install win7. I made a clonezilla image of the current guest but VMware doesn't allow multiple disks in the free version so that idea went south. I run my virtual disks off a bank of SSDs but for some reason, w7 installer is running as slow as treacle toffee on a cold winter's day.

License-wise, it's not an issue if you have a valid key. After re-installing, just activate, assuming you haven't activated recently as the Windwoes oobe might block the activation if it has been activated recently.

Edit: sudo vmware-installer --uninstall-product vmware-player

Gone! Rubbish thing.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:58 am

None of my machines use the old VBoxVGA driver so that change didn't affect me. 3D accel still working fine. /shrug
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:59 am

altair4 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:26 am
https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=94564
"This VM is configured to use 3D acceleration using the VBoxVGA graphics controller. Support for this will be removed with version 6.1.0. ALL saved states and snapshots will cease to work when using this configuration. Either switch to the VBoxSVGA (or VMSVGA) graphics controller and update guest additions, or disable 3D acceleration."
That's the message I got. I couldn't find anything on go-ogle. Ahhh... Switch the driver. Many thanks. I didn't see that part. Old, sore eyes.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it :)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by ajgringo619 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 10:30 am

catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:56 am

License-wise, it's not an issue if you have a valid key. After re-installing, just activate, assuming you haven't activated recently as the Windwoes oobe might block the activation if it has been activated recently.
Were you actually able to re-activate, switching from VB to VMware? I tried the same thing with QEMU (actually just converted the old .vdi to .qcow2, instead of reinstalling) and was told by MS, in no uncertain terms, that my license for my VB VM was locked and could not be switched to QEMU.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by AndyMH » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:06 am

Hmmm... Just fired up VB and I got the same warning, 3D + VBoxVGA no longer supported switch to VBoxSVGA or VMSVGA. Did an update yesterday and I'm now running 6.0.12. Don't think I'll be moving to 6.1.

Don't use it for games, will there be a big performance hit without 3D hardware acceleration?
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:11 am

AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:06 am
Hmmm... Just fired up VB and I got the same warning, 3D + VBoxVGA no longer supported switch to VBoxSVGA or VMSVGA. Did an update yesterday and I'm now running 6.0.12. Don't think I'll be moving to 6.1.

Don't use it for games, will there be a big performance hit without 3D hardware acceleration?
Why not just switch the video driver? VBoxVGA had been deprecated for a while. Honestly I just don't understand this thread.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:12 am

AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:06 am
Hmmm... Just fired up VB and I got the same warning, 3D + VBoxVGA no longer supported switch to VBoxSVGA or VMSVGA. Did an update yesterday and I'm now running 6.0.12. Don't think I'll be moving to 6.1.

Don't use it for games, will there be a big performance hit without 3D hardware acceleration?
Hardware acceleration is supported by VBoxSVGA. Just switch to that.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:13 am

gm10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:11 am
AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:06 am
Hmmm... Just fired up VB and I got the same warning, 3D + VBoxVGA no longer supported switch to VBoxSVGA or VMSVGA. Did an update yesterday and I'm now running 6.0.12. Don't think I'll be moving to 6.1.

Don't use it for games, will there be a big performance hit without 3D hardware acceleration?
Why not just switch the video driver? VBoxVGA had been deprecated for a while. Honestly I just don't understand this thread.
I misread the original warning from VBox and closed the dialog before I'd finished. That's why it started.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:18 am

catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:13 am
I misread the original warning from VBox and closed the dialog before I'd finished. That's why it started.
No, you I understood, that happens, and you explained yourself above, what I didn't understand was why the thread just kept on going blindly despite that. ;)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by ajgringo619 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:32 am

gm10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:18 am
catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:13 am
I misread the original warning from VBox and closed the dialog before I'd finished. That's why it started.
No, you I understood, that happens, and you explained yourself above, what I didn't understand was why the thread just kept on going blindly despite that. ;)
Since when to people pay attention to the "retraction"? :wink:
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by AndyMH » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:17 pm

Hardware acceleration is supported by VBoxSVGA. Just switch to that.
Catweazel, thanks for that, the fact that the other drivers supported hardware accelaration wasn't stated in the pop-up in VB.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by AndyMH » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:35 pm

For anybody else who likes to run VB in seamless mode - switched to the VboxSVGA controller, fired up win7 - no taskbar, tried VMSVGA, same result. Switched back to VBoxVGA, started win, switched to full screen mode and shut down. Switched to VBoxSVGA and fired up win again and toggled to seamless and I have a taskbar. Shutdown and startup and it's still there. Can't get VMSVGA to run seamless but don't care, VBoxSVGA works. If relevant LM19.0 cinnamon.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:01 pm

AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:35 pm
Can't get VMSVGA to run seamless but don't care, VBoxSVGA works. If relevant LM19.0 cinnamon.
I'm not sure it's documented but the intention is:
  • VMSVGA for Linux guests
  • VBoxSVGA for Windows guests
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