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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by AndyMH » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:32 pm

Ah-ha, learnt something, but where do you find this stuff...
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:36 pm

Dunno, I know way too many things of often doubtful usefulness. :P
(more specifically I like to look at source code so if it's not documented then I probably picked it up there)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by AndyMH » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:47 pm

Well you've helped me out more than once, so whatever you're doing - keep doing it :D
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:48 pm

o7 :wink:
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by altair4 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:53 pm

AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:32 pm
Ah-ha, learnt something, but where do you find this stuff...
The user manual?
VBoxSVGA: The default graphics controller for new VMs that use Windows 7 or later.
This graphics controller improves performance and 3D support when compared to the
legacy VBoxVGA option.

VBoxVGA: Use this graphics controller for legacy guest OSes. This is the default
graphics controller for Windows versions before Windows 7 and for Oracle Solaris.

VMSVGA: Use this graphics controller to emulate a VMware SVGA graphics device.
This is the default graphics controller for Linux guests.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:54 pm

altair4 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 1:53 pm
The user manual?
Heh, so documented indeed. Yes, I read manuals. They contain lots of good information. Should always be the first thing you look at. :)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:29 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:18 am
catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:13 am
I misread the original warning from VBox and closed the dialog before I'd finished. That's why it started.
No, you I understood, that happens, and you explained yourself above, what I didn't understand was why the thread just kept on going blindly despite that. ;)
I was going to edit the original post to stop a mass panic but the mods have done that already :)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by catweazel » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:31 pm

AndyMH wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:17 pm
Hardware acceleration is supported by VBoxSVGA. Just switch to that.
Catweazel, thanks for that, the fact that the other drivers supported hardware accelaration wasn't stated in the pop-up in VB.
Oh, well that's me sanctified then. It seems my mea culpa was premature :)
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by pbear » Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:59 pm

gm10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:58 am
None of my machines use the old VBoxVGA driver so that change didn't affect me. 3D accel still working fine. /shrug
Which kernel do you use in your Mint guests? I've been using 4.15 (same as the host), which works fine with VboxVGA but not VMSVGA. (3D acceleration in my just-updated Cinn VM, for example, works with the former but not the latter.) Should we be using a different kernel series and, if so, which one?
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by gm10 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:08 am

pbear wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 11:59 pm
gm10 wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:58 am
None of my machines use the old VBoxVGA driver so that change didn't affect me. 3D accel still working fine. /shrug
Which kernel do you use in your Mint guests? I've been using 4.15 (same as the host), which works fine with VboxVGA but not VMSVGA. (3D acceleration in my just-updated Cinn VM, for example, works with the former but not the latter.) Should we be using a different kernel series and, if so, which one?
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by karlchen » Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:09 am

Hi, catweazel.
catweazel wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:29 pm
I misread the original warning from VBox and closed the dialog before I'd finished. That's why it started.
I was going to edit the original post to stop a mass panic but the mods have done that already :)
I plead guilty of having done so for precisely the reason which you have given. :wink:
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox

Post by pbear » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:42 am

gm10 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:08 am
Got no problem booting up a Cinnamon live environment (4.15) with VMSVGA:
Interesting. We're in chat rather than support, so don't want to discuss troubleshooting, but FYI here's what I get. For the time being, I'm going to revert to VBoxVGA and not worry about this (it's just a test box). If I change my mind and can't figure it out, I'll open a thread in Virtualization.

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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox for VBoxVGA driver only

Post by pbear » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:10 am

Found it. Turns out the problem was that I had updated everything, then switched the graphics adapter. Apparently this meant the kernel was configured for VBoxVGA. So, switched to VMSVGA and booted to last prior kernel (4.15.0-58), which curiously didn't throw the error about 3D acceleration,* uninstalled 4.15.0-60 then reinstalled it. Reboot. No error. Did this on two Cinnamon VMs (19.1 and 19.2). Worked for both.

* Only difference I can think of is that 4.15.0-58 was installed to both VMs under VBox 6.0.8 (I passed on the update to 6.0.10 because of problems reported by ajgringo), so perhaps something changed with the current version of guest additions.
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox for VBoxVGA driver only

Post by smurphos » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:23 am

VMSVGA doesn't play nice with Cinnamon 4.2.4 in LMDE3 for me - windows render with a weird transparency. Mint 19.2 with same version of Cinnamon is fine though.

I wonder what the culprit is - older kernel, older Mesa, older vmwgfx driver, older LightDM?

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steve@steve-VirtualBox:~$ inxi -SGxxxz
System:    Host: steve-VirtualBox Kernel: 4.15.0-62-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 
           Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 wm: muffin 4.2.2 dm: LightDM 1.26.0 Distro: Linux Mint 19.2 Tina 
           base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Graphics:  Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.14.0.0 bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 15ad:0405 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: vmware unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa 
           resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: SVGA3D; build v: 2.1 Mesa 19.0.8 direct render: Yes

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steve@lmde3:~$ inxi -SGxxxz
System:    Host: lmde3 Kernel: 4.9.0-11-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 wm: muffin 4.2.2 
           dm: LightDM 1.18.3 Distro: LMDE 3 Cindy base: Debian 9.3 stretch 
Graphics:  Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.12.0.0 bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 15ad:0405 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: vmware unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: Gallium 0.4 on SVGA3D; build v: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 direct render: Yes 
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Re: Oracle to remove 3D hardware acceleration in VirtualBox for VBoxVGA driver only

Post by smurphos » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:53 am

smurphos wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:23 am
I wonder what the culprit is - older kernel, older Mesa, older vmwgfx driver, older LightDM?
Fixed by adding stretch-backports, pinning it at 700 and updating everything keeping fingers crossed.

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steve@lmde3:~$ inxi -SGxxxz
System:
  Host: lmde3 Kernel: 4.19.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc 
  v: 6.3.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.2.4 wm: muffin 4.2.2 dm: LightDM 1.18.3 
  Distro: LMDE 3 Cindy base: Debian 9.3 stretch 
Graphics:
  Device-1: VMware SVGA II Adapter driver: vmwgfx v: 2.15.0.0 
  bus ID: 00:02.0 chip ID: 15ad:0405 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: vmware 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: SVGA3D; build v: 2.1 Mesa 18.2.8 direct render: Yes
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