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Posted: **Mon Jul 27, 2020 10:16 am**

Endeavour is actually good from it's functions, just like Arch but "The GUI Way"

Posted: **Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:19 pm**

Posted: **Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:29 pm**

151tom wrote: ⤴Mon Jul 27, 2020 2:19 pm I may have to throw a spare parts desktop together and give Endeavor OS a try and see what it's like as I do like Arch base distros just to impatient to learn Arch.

OK why lie I'm lazy.

LOL, I definitely can relate to that

I liked Gentoo and Arch but it is a lot of work and I felt worried a bit about how active the development is lately for Gentoo. Maybe it's fine, but I was a bit concerned.

Posted: **Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:57 am**

Barbados99 wrote: ⤴Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:00 pm It's supposed to be another Arch based distro, but easier to work with than Arch.

It is Arch but with a nice and easy installer, if one can say so. I did not try it but I tried its predecessor Antergos. It was a good experience but I am not in the Arch camp.

Posted: **Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:20 pm**

For me, at present, both Mint and Manjaro KDE share the top spot. Both have their advantages and drawbacks of course:

Mint is my choice for always-on use due to its point-release, it does have older packages but you can install packages without having to reboot .. only real downside, no KDE option (I'll have a go at adding it at some point). But we all know about Mint here, don't we

→ Best Forum IMHO and excellent support, making it the best choice for beginners.
Manjaro KDE is also IMO a fantastic distribution. It's easy to use, fast, smooth, attractive and you can configure all you like. It rarely has issues with bad updates (sometimes a little "feature" or setting option might vanish and then reappear following another update) .. but when they do happen, they can really mess things up. Had a borked update to the graphics ayatem sometime in 2018 which also screwed up the TTY displays!! THAT has never happened in Mint. At least there is a very easy way to chroot into the system. And yes, you do have to be up-to-date in order to install new packages, as already mentioned in this thread.

→ Good Forums from what I've seen so far but the layout doesn't suit me so I am not on there much.
I tried Peppermint 7 a while back and really liked the look of it, but didn't actually install it as it wouldn't boot on the intended target machine!

→ I still have the .ISO if anyone wants it. They don't keep the old ones like Mint does, it seems.
Puppy Linux is great on my really OLD hardware but the old 4.3 version I'm using is not really supported .. hardly any packages available. I used Damn Small Linux to set up the hard disk for the Puppy installation but did get caught out with the pupsave file (it's not really meant to be installed on HDD) which I fixed once I realized what I'd done wrong.
Damn Small Linux (DSL) is rather basic (obviously) and seemingly abandonware, but handy to have a copy of if you're like me and like tinkering with ancient technology. I used it during the Puppy install as Puppy insisted on grabbing the swap partition which I was trying to resize, and wouldn't let go (not enough RAM). It's lightning fast, too.
I have Arch Linux installations in VirtualBox on a couple of my machines, for experimentation. Quite impressed with the Arch documentation and it seems to run well in a VB even with limited RAM (I was trying it out on a netbook with only 2GB physical RAM).
I did also briefly try LMDE briefly whilst first trying out Mint. That looked good too, I might use that on the server. rather than regular Mint.

Now I've cleared a bit of space, I'll try out a few others & see what they are like, so I can add those here.

Posted: **Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:38 pm**

BG405 wrote: ⤴Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:20 pm
Mint (.....) the best choice for beginners.

.... and for the lazy. Mint just works and is overall so easy. I happen to be extremely lazy, so for me, Mint rules.

After 14 years of full-time use of desktop Linux, I simply want everything to work reliably, with the least amount of effort. I haven't found the same optimum of ease and reliable stability anywhere else.

Posted: **Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:57 pm**

Pjotr wrote: ⤴Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:38 pm .... and for the lazy.

... but true.

This does make things a lot easier for those new to Linux, so a good thing. Also, as much as I like Manjaro, I wouldn't recommend it to a novice. It's definitely a bit more "involved" than Mint is.

Having an "easy" system to work with also helps the helpers to help those needing help ... did I say "help" too many times in one sentence ...

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:59 am**

Isn't there also a LTS Kernels for Arch Linux? Don't know for Manjaro though. But, consider trying EndeavourOS. They really keep it simple both for lightweightness and for its newbie beginners as well. But, Manjaro is still a good for me. Especially they have my fave Cinnamon polished!

@BG405, Yes. Way too much "help"

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:57 am**

151tom wrote: ⤴Mon Jul 27, 2020 7:30 am
Barbados99 wrote: ⤴Fri Jul 24, 2020 11:00 pm Anyone had experience with EndeavorOS? I am tempted to try it this week. It's supposed to be another Arch based distro, but easier to work with than Arch.
It looks interesting.

https://endeavouros.com/

https://www.fosslinux.com/37021/endeavo ... pdates.htm

https://www.maketecheasier.com/endeavouros-review/

https://linuxinsider.com/story/endeavou ... 86638.html

Just reporting back on the EndeavourOS experience. It really is a nice distro but night-and-day different from Mint. I had an extra partition and added it to boot on my machine rather than a VM. So I have a triple boot setup now with Mint XFCE, Mint LMDE4 and Endeavour. So one Ubuntu derivative, one Debian derivative, and one Arch derivative. I'm just going to spend time getting to know EndeavorOS better. One thing that I liked right away about it. You have so much control over setting it up to what you really want. LOL, I thought it would boot after the live installation into XFCE. But all it had was a blinking command line cursor. Then I learned that it wanted me to install my own desktop or window manager (they have a ton of options). But I installed XFCE4 because I am most used to that. Once I'm comfortable with the OS then I'll install some of the other options for fun. It is a gui with the XFCE but it does seem to need some CMI work from time to time. And I'm using pacman to manage software. I'm sure it has a gui for that but I have not found it yet... maybe I need to install that too. But I like pacman too, as I used that with Arch before.

It is an amazing distro when you consider it has only been around for a year now. The development team has done one heck of a good job building something this polished in such a short time frame. And it DEFINITELY fills a niche that was needed. It's a user-friendly Arch with all the benefits of an Arch, but with a very user-friendly setup. Their forum is also very user-friendly. It is a contrast with the Arch forum (where you're half afraid to ask anything... in fact I never posted there after reading how they treated others who asked legit questions and got flamed as if they were half-wits). Anyway the EO forum is more like this Mint forum - helpful and patient.\

For a Mint user, EndeavourOS is worth a try (I think) due to it being such a contrast to Mint. A fun diversion experience if nothing else.

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 12:20 pm**

Pjotr wrote: ⤴Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:38 pm .... and for the lazy. Mint just works and is overall so easy. I happen to be extremely lazy, so for me, Mint rules.

After 14 years of full-time use of desktop Linux, I simply want everything to work reliably, with the least amount of effort. I haven't found the same optimum of ease and reliable stability anywhere else.

Nicely said. People always think Mint is just for beginners but a 'lazy' advanced user can also have a lot of fun with it. It is reliable and you can count on it if you have real work to do.

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:30 pm**

DoodMann wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:59 am Isn't there also a LTS Kernels for Arch Linux?

They do have the LTS kernels, yes. I'm using the latest HWE but do have at least one LTS installed.

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:49 pm**

BG405 wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 4:30 pm
DoodMann wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:59 am Isn't there also a LTS Kernels for Arch Linux?
They do have the LTS kernels, yes. I'm using the latest HWE but do have at least one LTS installed.

But there's no LTS for Manjaro, correct?

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:52 pm**

Barbados99 wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:57 am It is a contrast with the Arch forum (where you're half afraid to ask anything... in fact I never posted there after reading how they treated others who asked legit questions and got flamed as if they were half-wits).

LOL. Just a fact, I don't know how to register there. It needs somekind of SUMS that I don't know how to obtain

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 7:52 pm**

DoodMann wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:49 pm But there's no LTS for Manjaro, correct?

I quoted the wrong bit of your post, sorry.

Manjaro does show these as available:

... but notice it doesn't seem to be configured properly in my case. My actual installed Kernels are as follows:

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[brian@BG-T440-MANJARO ~] $ mhwd-kernel -li
Currently running: 5.7.9-1-MANJARO (linux57)
The following kernels are installed in your system:
   * linux414
   * linux419
   * linux44
   * linux54
   * linux56
   * linux57
[brian@BG-T440-MANJARO ~] $

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:52 pm**

Noice, thanks for that. I installed Manjaro-Cinnamon on my system. Try it and maybe I'll like it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:34 pm**

DoodMann wrote: ⤴Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:52 pm I installed Manjaro-Cinnamon on my system. Try it and maybe I'll like it.

I haven't tried Manjaro with Cinnamon; this is KDE. I would expect the same default kernel availability in the Cinnamon version. Yours probably won't have the bug I've introduced! Been messing with this current install a bit too much in the past 2 years considering it's a production system ...

Posted: **Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:52 pm**

Yeah, typing currently at Manjaro, enjoying so far.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 2:00 pm**

These are my distros set up on multi-boot desktops, or on my laptops:

* Linux Mint - When I just want to concentrate on getting my work done instead of playing with the distro.

* Debian - A little more stable than Mint, but I seldom use it because the old Kernel and drivers do not support my printers. Do not believe those who says it doesn't come with non-free software/drivers (they probably don't know separate installer ISOs exist for non-free)

* MX Linux - Pretty stable like Mint. But I can't trust its future availability+stability because some of its developers/supporters are keen on not having to use systemd.

* AntiX - The only distro that has acceptable performance on my very old single-core machine

* Ubuntu MATE - In case Linux Mint ceases to exist

* Fedora - When I'm curious what is the "latest experience" I can have in the Linux world.

I have also tried Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, Xubuntu, LXLE, LMDE (Mint), Devuan, Manjaro, openSUSE, Antergos, Bodhi, Knoppix, PCLinux, Peppermint, Puppy Linux, Solus, Zorin, FreeBSD, and Clear Linux. My experiences vary from too outdated, buggy or non-intuitive interface, demands too much of my time, or not successfully installing at all.

Posted: **Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:41 pm**

Woah, those are many different types of distros!

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