What happened to 5.13?

[corkie]

I was doing a log overdue software update last month and the final bit was to upgrade the Linux kernel. At the time I was happily running mint 20.1 on the 5,11.0-36 kernel and the upgrade was to 5.13.0-21. Upon booting the new kernel the display on my laptop went completely haywire. 2/3 of the screen looked like an old fashion TV showing white noise and the rest was pure black.

Thankfully there was no actual damage and I deleted new kernel and went back to work with the old one.

Today I ventured back into the updater and found there were new kernel upgrades. There were two on offer. one was 5.11.0-41, which I am now running and the other was 5.4. (not sure what edition). I installed the 5.4 but I'm not sure why I did or why it was offered to me. I have an impressive list of 5.11, 5.8 and 5.4 kernels to choose from. So I am thinking I should loose the 5.4 versions as I'm pretty sure I will never need them.

So I am wondering what happened to 5.13. Was the initial release a little premature perhaps? Will it be back for mint 20.1? Is it needed to upgrade to mint 20.2 and 20.3?

[BenTrabetere]

It might be because the 5.13 kernel hit End of Life a couple of months or so ago.

[Schultz]

A new release version of 5.13 may well indeed fix whatever caused it to go haywire on your system. As for 5.4, you probably were offered updates for it because you probably have some installed. When you install a newer kernel, the old ones don't automatically get deleted. It may be a good time to see just how many kernels you have installed, and delete some. Keep at least one spare (besides the newest one) just in case.

[SMG]

It might be because the 5.13 kernel hit End of Life a couple of months or so ago.

The mainline might have gone end of life a couple of months ago, but the 5.13 available in Update Manager is supported until August 2022.

[SMG]

I was doing a log overdue software update last month and the final bit was to upgrade the Linux kernel. At the time I was happily running mint 20.1 on the 5,11.0-36 kernel and the upgrade was to 5.13.0-21. Upon booting the new kernel the display on my laptop went completely haywire. 2/3 of the screen looked like an old fashion TV showing white noise and the rest was pure black.

Unfortunately, others have also run into issues with it. What graphics does your computer use?

I have an impressive list of 5.11, 5.8 and 5.4 kernels to choose from. So I am thinking I should loose the 5.4 versions as I'm pretty sure I will never need them.

The 5.8 went end of life in August.

If you have at least two "good" (ie. working well on your system) versions of 5.11 installed, then you can remove all the installed 5.4 kernels on your system and you will no longer be notified of updates for it.

So I am wondering what happened to 5.13. Was the initial release a little premature perhaps? Will it be back for mint 20.1? Is it needed to upgrade to mint 20.2 and 20.3?

I am hoping whatever the issue is with it will be cleared up by the time the 5.11 goes end of life. So far, no one has had issues with the 5.14-oem kernel, so there will be something people can use in place of the 5.11.

[corkie]

Pulled this Graphics section from - inxi -Fxxxrz

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Graphics:
  Device-1: NVIDIA TU116M [GeForce GTX 1660 Ti Mobile] 
  vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: nvidia v: 460.91.03 bus ID: 01:00.0 
  chip ID: 10de:2191 
  Device-2: AMD Renoir vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: amdgpu v: kernel 
  bus ID: 05:00.0 chip ID: 1002:1636 
  Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: amdgpu,ati,nvidia 
  unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa 
  resolution: 1440x900~60Hz, 1920x1080~60Hz 
  OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with Max-Q Design/PCIe/SSE2 
  v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 460.91.03 direct render: Yes 

More machine info here

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System:
  Kernel: 5.11.0-41-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A 
  Desktop: Cinnamon 4.8.6 wm: muffin 4.8.1 dm: LightDM 1.30.0 
  Distro: Linux Mint 20.1 Ulyssa base: Ubuntu 20.04 focal 

Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: HP product: HP Pavilion Gaming Laptop 15-ec1xxx 
  v: N/A serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <filter> 
  Mobo: HP model: 87B3 v: 31.21 serial: <filter> UEFI: AMI v: F.20 
  date: 11/04/2020 

CPU:
  Topology: 8-Core model: AMD Ryzen 7 4800H with Radeon Graphics bits: 64 
  type: MT MCP arch: Zen rev: 1 L2 cache: 4096 KiB 
  flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
  bogomips: 92628 
  Speed: 1397 MHz min/max: 1400/2900 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 
  1: 1397 2: 1397 3: 1397 4: 1397 5: 1397 6: 1398 7: 1397 8: 1397 9: 1397 
  10: 1396 11: 1397 12: 1397 13: 1397 14: 1397 15: 1397 16: 1397 

Have always had a string of non fatal boot error messages with this set up.

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=345608

[SMG]

Pulled this Graphics section from - inxi -Fxxxrz

The person in this topic [SOLVED] Display not working on Laptop, Only HDMI output has an HP OMEN Laptop 15-en0xxx with the same CPU and graphics and the 5.13 worked. I do not know what might specifically be different about the two computers. I do see that one uses a different motherboard.

Have always had a string of non fatal boot error messages with this set up.

viewtopic.php?f=46&t=345608

BIOS/UEFI updates are the only way to clear those. Given how relatively new that CPU is and the fact BIOS/UEFI updates often have fixes in them, you might want to see what is in the one(s) you do not have.

[DPM]

2/3 of the screen looked like an old fashion TV showing white noise and the rest was pure black

I've had exactly the same with 4700U iGPU, and there's a bug report at Ubuntu for the 5.13. I'll just stick with 5.11.

[DPM]

The 5.13 crash with screen noise persists, but the 5.14 OEM kernel from the package linux-oem-20.04d works fine. Since 5.11 will go out of support next month, 5.14 is good because it will have support until 2025.

[Olaf]

This happens to me too. The problem is similar to what is described in viewtopic.php?f=59&t=363541&p=2110968&h ... h#p2110968. It seems to affect mostly Ryzen mobile 4xxxx dual graphics systems. Mine is a 4800H with RTX2060. The 5.11 kernels work. The 5.13 kernels all fail (21,22 and 23). If yo happen to get stuck with an unintended install of the 5.13 kernel, do a hard reboot and add a NOMODESET to your startup. This allows you to boot normally but your video hardware is no longer fully supported. But you can at least select a different kernel.

[HappyCanuck]

Might as avoid the 5.13 kernel with "nomodeset". Just step back to kernel 5.11 using the Update Manager: View>Linux Kernels, highlight 5.13 on the left and click on "Remove Kernels...". BTW, you can't remove the currently active kernel. You'll have to boot in to the 5.11 kernel to do this: select booting into 5.11 at the boot menu (2nd menu option on the boot screen to get there}. Oh, and I had just installed the latest update to 5.13 today and still got the snowy screen on my AMD 4700u laptop, so that cinched my decision to step back to 5.11.

[Olaf]

Might as avoid the 5.13 kernel with "nomodeset". Just step back to kernel 5.11 using the Update Manager: View>Linux Kernels, highlight 5.13 on the left and click on "Remove Kernels...". BTW, you can't remove the currently active kernel. You'll have to boot in to the 5.11 kernel to do this: select booting into 5.11 at the boot menu (2nd menu option on the boot screen to get there}. Oh, and I had just installed the latest update to 5.13 today and still got the snowy screen on my AMD 4700u laptop, so that cinched my decision to step back to 5.11.

You are right to want to avoid NOMODESET but new installations now force the 5.13 kernel and you need something to fall back to. As a temporary solution I have installed the TUXINVADER PPA. (https://launchpad.net/~tuxinvader/+arch ... s-mainline). This allows you to upgrade to kernel 5.16.2. This solves all problems for AMD Ryzen 7 4800H for now until the regular kernels in Mint are updated.