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Ubuntu is phasing out the notification area...

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I don't know if you have read this: http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/

I have just one word to say: idiots!

I will say nothing more. That's up to you!
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Welp... That clinches it for me as far as Gnome is concerned. Never again shall it touch any of my machines. ;)
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I think the Ubuntu team is severely underestimating how much users like the notification area/system tray.

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I'd rather have a cluttered system tray (yes, system tray, not "notification area") than a bunch of cluttered system menus. Ubuntu, stop messing with Gnome, all right? It's perfectly usable as is, and changing for the sake of change isn't very justifiable in the eyes of many users.
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Wait and see what happens. Clem does not necessarily use some of the Ubuntu modifications, the main edition still has the cont, alt, backspace functionality where Ubuntu does not. Unfortunately these types of things create more for Clem and the Team to have to fix though.
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The word "idiots" came to my head too after reading this post. But then I read the whole rationale behind it on the Canonical page. And I must agree with most of it. Most apps use this area just as a minimalization replacement, so that a minimized app running for a long time (for example an instant messenger) takes less place on the panel. Lets not just bash guys from Canonical and see what idea do they come up with as a replacement and then comment on that.


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Not impressed. They keep trying to change **** for the sake of change. Heaven forbid people be comfortable with the desktop they use. These clowns not to stop playing "me too" with Apple.
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vincent wrote:I'd rather have a cluttered system tray (yes, system tray, not "notification area") than a bunch of cluttered system menus. Ubuntu, stop messing with Gnome, all right? It's perfectly usable as is, and changing for the sake of change isn't very justifiable in the eyes of many users.
Ditto!

The stupid window buttons on the left is bad enough, though only superficial. Now this? Well... I hope Clem and the team can keep Mint clean. These Canonical ideas are stupid. It sure would not hurt my feelings to seriously look at Squeeze as a base...
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Sorry but I think they are right. The notification area has been used and abused: the task bar is here to show applications, minimized or not; the volume control doesn't belong there; if you need a clock, it should not be in the notification area either; and why would you need an icon in the notification area for applications running in the background ?
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GoustiFruit wrote:Sorry but I think they are right. The notification area has been used and abused: the task bar is here to show applications, minimized or not; the volume control doesn't belong there; if you need a clock, it should not be in the notification area either; and why would you need an icon in the notification area for applications running in the background ?
Simply because that is how it is done. :D

Everyone has an opinion, but when you make changes like this you should take everyone's opinion into account. Many people use the tray, it is a neat little place for background apps that would clutter up the task bar.

Just look at the response in here to this change. Mostly negative. As was the window button thing. Look in other forums, it is the same. As said, change just for the sake of change is usually not a good idea. With the window buttons the sheer fact that putting everything on the left will unbalance things is enough to not do this. Add to that the fact that in trying to use the toolbar it is bound to happen that people will accidentally close their window instead probably losing whatever they were doing in the process, and the whole idea just screams stupidity! About this notification area thing? If you do not like the tray then just remove it! Why screw it up for the vast majority who do use it?
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FedoraRefugee wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but when you make changes like this you should take everyone's opinion into account.
FedoraRefugee, Mark The Dictator does not care about the opinions of others! I have already talked in the forum about his dictatorial manners...

Like said by someone in a twitter post, "Right now, the way Ubuntu is governed by dictatorial decisions, I hate Ubuntu much more than I hate a lot of other IT brands."..................
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linuxviolin wrote:
FedoraRefugee wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but when you make changes like this you should take everyone's opinion into account.
FedoraRefugee, Mark The Dictator does not care about the opinions of others! I have already talked in the forum about his dictatorial manners...

Like said by someone in a twitter post, "Right now, the way Ubuntu is governed by dictatorial decisions, I hate Ubuntu much more than I hate a lot of other IT brands."..................
Eh, I don't hate. I just vote with my wallet...Or in this case with my patronage. :D
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FedoraRefugee wrote:
linuxviolin wrote:
FedoraRefugee wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but when you make changes like this you should take everyone's opinion into account.
FedoraRefugee, Mark The Dictator does not care about the opinions of others! I have already talked in the forum about his dictatorial manners...

Like said by someone in a twitter post, "Right now, the way Ubuntu is governed by dictatorial decisions, I hate Ubuntu much more than I hate a lot of other IT brands."..................
Eh, I don't hate. I just vote with my wallet...Or in this case with my patronage. :D

Well said. Agreed.
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linuxviolin wrote:
FedoraRefugee wrote:Everyone has an opinion, but when you make changes like this you should take everyone's opinion into account.
FedoraRefugee, Mark The Dictator does not care about the opinions of others! I have already talked in the forum about his dictatorial manners...

Like said by someone in a twitter post, "Right now, the way Ubuntu is governed by dictatorial decisions, I hate Ubuntu much more than I hate a lot of other IT brands."..................


Is this change being dictated by Shuttleworth, or is it something that a group of people at Canonical came up with?
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MALsPa wrote:Is this change being dictated by Shuttleworth, or is it something that a group of people at Canonical came up with?
Whatever, they remain dictatorial decisions without worrying about users, without take everyone's opinion into account.
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More related info:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperien ... Indicators

http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/02/10/kde ... -in-gnome/

http://castrojo.wordpress.com/2010/02/0 ... or-update/

Folks, maybe this isn't such a bad idea. I don't know if it can really be called "change for the sake of change" because the folks behind it seem to be trying to improve things. As the "DX Team" says:
The current notification area is more and more difficult for users to interact with. Each application behaves differently, they're not accessible, and they're even sometime styled differently.
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This isn't a problem with the notification area, but with developers creating programs that interact with it. There needs to be a set standard that everyone can agree to in regards to how things access and react within the notification area.

Doing away with it because developers do things "their way" is asinine.
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linuxviolin wrote:
MALsPa wrote:Is this change being dictated by Shuttleworth, or is it something that a group of people at Canonical came up with?
Whatever, they remain dictatorial decisions without worrying about users, without take everyone's opinion into account.
I don't think it's possible to take everyone's opinion into account. I also don't know if it's correct to label this decision as "dictatorial."
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MALsPa wrote:As the "DX Team" says:
The current notification area is more and more difficult for users to interact with. Each application behaves differently, they're not accessible, and they're even sometime styled differently.
I'm sorry but the "DX Team" is stupid! " to interact with."? Pfff, it's very simple, I have no problem to use it. "they're not accessible, and they're even sometime styled differently"? idiot. I have often several apps in this area and every app is good (Transmission, Pidgin, aMule, Opera...), absolutely no problem about style or other thing!

In fact, it's perhaps just "more and more difficult" for monkey users... :roll:

Sorry if I am a little harsh but really, all of this is stupid. :mrgreen:
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Just as with the infamous "moving of the buttons" everyone is once again making a huge deal out of nothing.

The notification area really is pointless if you think about it. Did any of you even read the article? If they can come up with a better way to handle these kind of things (processes running in the background, etc.) then there isn't a reason to have a notification area.
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