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Postby carltonh » Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:55 pm

Icing on cake analogy:

Mint on Ubuntu
Sabayon on Gentoo
Mepis on Debian Stable
Sidux on Debian Unstable
Vector on Slackware
PCLinuxos on Mandriva
??? on Arch
??? on Debian Testing

These seem to be beginner desktops. If there was another base, diferentiating Mint would probably require using Debian Testing or Arch, the later which is stubbornly anti-beginner. Not good when exponential growth in Linux means 90% of users will be beginners for a long time to come.

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Postby bigbearomaha » Sat Oct 13, 2007 12:11 am

I don't like to think of them as "beginner" desktops.

if nothing else, I would think of them as:

"consumer" grade ( for folks with intentions only on 'using" a computer for generic purposes )


an "industry" grade ( for folks who need to make an OS and software perform differently than a "consumer" would need to)

I know of people who 'use" Windows and apple OS's for many years who never ever delve into "advanced" uses and functions on the computer because there is no compulsion or need for them to do so.

they develop a solid familiarity with the OS and can find their way around easily and troubleshoot "common" errors handily, but neither attempt or care to problem solve at what you might call and 'advanced' user level.

I think one of the primary "image" problems with Linux is that the dominant user base still uses hierarchical identifiers or labeling to describe users.

It's likely one of the biggest contributors to the myth that Linux users, especially "gurus" are egotistical and condescending.( aka "snobs)

mind you, I said" myth" because the vast majority of Linux users aren't that way, but there are a few folks that have influenced terminology enough to give that impression by making it part of the common lexicon of Linux interaction.
for terms of comparison, one could call Windows a "beginner' OS. it offers the same type of interaction and user experience.

no, I don't think beginner and advanced are appropriate terms to use to describe the type of interaction and user experience one finds when using various Linux Distros.

I do prefer "consumer" and "industry" much better.

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Postby gman » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:59 pm

This is not a new discussion.

I haven't been the biggest fan of Ubuntu until I tried Kubuntu Feisty Fawn. I thought it was OK, but lacking in something. I just tried the latest release candidate of Kubuntu Gusty Gibbon and I am becoming more impressed.

I say stick with Ubuntu base, things are moving along, maybe not a fast as people want, but it's happening.

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