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Neftis
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Mint Firewall and online banking

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I know this is the right place to ask a newbie question.

How safe can the Mint (the ubuntu version) be for online banking? Can the lack of a firewall be risky?
I know there is one pre-installed but not configured by me, it has the default settings. I don't even know if it is active.

Don't feel safe without a firewall.
And to make things worse, I can't use command line.So cannot configure it by myself. Sorry, I can't.

Anyway, am I right to be so worried?

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Neftis wrote:...How safe can the Mint (the ubuntu version) be for online banking?
It's pretty safe. If you want to be even safer, use the Live medium to do online banking! > Boot the live medium and then go directly to your online banking site and do your business... when you are done, shut downyour system and reboot to your HD to do other stuff.
Neftis wrote:Can the lack of a firewall be risky?
If can be risky but if you are behind a firewall you are pretty safe. Direct connections to the internet (connecting directly to the modem without a router between you and the modem) can be a bit risky...
Neftis wrote:Don't feel safe without a firewall.
That's because you are from the WOW (World Of Windoze)... not to worry, it's normal... you'll get over it with time... I've been running Mint full time on several machines for the last 3+ years. The only firewall I employ is on my router and the only piece of anti-malware I use is NoScript (FF add-on). I have not gotten infected so far (knocking on my head)... :lol:
Neftis wrote:Anyway, am I right to be so worried?
In general - No, your not right - Linux is pretty secure all by itself and if you use a router, you're even safer. Most routers have some sort of firewall on them. Do a little reading and set up your router firewall intelligently (it has its own GUI - i.e. no command line stuff) and you'll be fine...

Learn smart computing habits - never install software from a dubious source. The vast majority of the time, you can find software you seek in the mint repositories either through Synaptic (GUI), Software Manager (GUI), or the terminal (command line)... as a noob stick with the GUIs. That "authentication" dialog that pops up when you are altering the system is your friend... if you are surfing and it pops up looking for the admin PW when you are not specifically trying to install something - lift your hands up from the keyboard and mouse and look at the screen and think for a second... Nothing will happen (in the background) until you type the PW... if you are not trying to install something, click "Cancel" and smile, you just prevented an infection. The nice thing about Linux - one of the things that make it so secure that is significantly different from Windoze - is that NOTHING happens transparently in background... this will protect you if you use your head...

Good luck & safe computing... and, as always - Enjoy the Mint! :mrgreen:
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Thank you sir for your fast and reliable answer. :)

So I boot the live CD... sorry, live DVD and everything should be fine. It makes sense.

I have a router, firewall set, NAT set, uPnP not set. So far so good.

Ofcourse I 'm a windows user, and it 's time for me to do the switch to Linux.
Since Mint has such friendly environment. No command line as possible.
That's the way to go. It's 2014, almost 2015. Let the hardcore Linux users say otherwise.

Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.

P.S. My Mint password is only 3 letters. Could this be risky? Meaning that someone remotely hacks my Mint account.

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Neftis wrote:...Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.
So you currently do online banking from a windoze machine without an antivirus or internet security software (other than an "aftermarket firewall" (which you probably don't know how to configure well))... REALLY?!?!?!? :lol:

When you say "no problems so far" what you really mean is "no problems (that you know about) so far" - that is one of the big problems with windoze - malware can get on your machine and do its dirty work completely transparently (invisibly)... Caveat Windoze user...
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Neftis wrote:Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.
WOW - you really like to live dangerously :shock:
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Your pretty safe in Linux and Linux Mint though biggest security and first line of defense is your password.. Defintely dont want a plain jane dictionary based password or something remotely easy to figure out.. Most names or dictionary based words would take matter of minutes to break

edit: speaking in general not necessarily a login unless you have ssh or other remote access open to your pc turned on
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Reorx said it all very well in his reply to you, but as an addition if it makes you feel better - install the GUI front end of the firewall that's already built in to your OS - this is called UFW.

If you open up synaptic package manager from the menu, type in GUFW and right click and choose to install (check UFW is already there, there should be a green box indicating it's already installed otherwise repeat to install) then apply and install.

Open up the firewall from your menu, click the padlock to unlock, enter password, turn on, close lock and exit, you now have a firewall GUI. . . . . .

I always do my online banking with Mint,and feel safe in doing so, between that and the built in firewall and the routers protection, you'd be hard pushed to get much safer, bar the live method already detailed, I also bank online with my android phone, as with all things, safety can be down to sensible usage and care, I don't think a lot more can be added to this subject, enjoy your new OS and it's freedom ! :)

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Reorx wrote:
Neftis wrote:...Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.
So you currently do online banking from a windoze machine without an antivirus or internet security software (other than an "aftermarket firewall" (which you probably don't know how to configure well))... REALLY?!?!?!? :lol:

When you say "no problems so far" what you really mean is "no problems (that you know about) so far" - that is one of the big problems with windoze - malware can get on your machine and do its dirty work completely transparently (invisibly)... Caveat Windoze user...
Nooooooooo!!!

I don't feel THAT confident to even try. :lol:

But I 'll be honest with you. Windows 7 seem a lot safer to me than Google Android.
I don't trust the Google Store. Long story.

Using windows 7 without an antivirus is risky. I know. But something tells me that using an antivirus is even riskier.
It's an experiment on 3 different PC 's. The last 9 months is successful. Don't know about the future. Time will tell.

I got suspicious with the antivirus programs since I tried to install one on my android mobile phone. It asked previleges to access my camera. :shock:
REALLY? My camera? What for? That's it. Uninstalled all antivirus'es. Everything. I don't need that kind of "protection". Viruses is a risk I can fix when it hits me. Spieng (spying maybe) is the worst problem.
At least android asked me. That's a good point I have to take account.

I better be hacked by a single individual, poor russian or whatever the nationality, than the whole US goverment who sells my personal contacts to advertising companies.

What's your opinion?

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WharfRat wrote:
Neftis wrote:Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.
WOW - you really like to live dangerously :shock:
Malwarebytes says that I'm not infected. 9 months without an antivirus. But with a "third-party" firewall. It's not COMODO though. Comodo spammed me without mercy. :twisted:

I might sound "revolutionary" to the rest of the planet. I know. :roll: But I feel safe...... Well not so safe to do online banking. But safe enough to do everything else.

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daveinuk wrote:Reorx said it all very well in his reply to you, but as an addition if it makes you feel better - install the GUI front end of the firewall that's already built in to your OS - this is called UFW.

If you open up synaptic package manager from the menu, type in GUFW and right click and choose to install (check UFW is already there, there should be a green box indicating it's already installed otherwise repeat to install) then apply and install.

Open up the firewall from your menu, click the padlock to unlock, enter password, turn on, close lock and exit, you now have a firewall GUI. . . . . .

I always do my online banking with Mint,and feel safe in doing so, between that and the built in firewall and the routers protection, you'd be hard pushed to get much safer, bar the live method already detailed, I also bank online with my android phone, as with all things, safety can be down to sensible usage and care, I don't think a lot more can be added to this subject, enjoy your new OS and it's freedom ! :)
A firewall GUI... Hm... Yes, that did the trick. Although I had to install it. That should be included in the main distro for the sake of noobs like me. So simple. So beautiful. So easy to use.

I want to thank everyone for your help. Great job. Now I feel secure.

One last thing... let's hope we will never see terminals and command lines again in the future Mint releases. I know I ask too much.

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Neftis wrote:P.S. My Mint password is only 3 letters. Could this be risky? Meaning that someone remotely hacks my Mint account.
If you haven't disabled the services for remote log-ins, then yeah, someone could remotely login into your machine. It would probably take the best part of a few hours to crack the password knowing that your passphrase is only three letters.
Problems? Tell us EXACTLY what you've done and what you expected to happen, IN DETAIL. That will save us questions, and we should get along better,

I have dysgraphia. This means I might have understood you incorrectly through no fault of my own.

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Neftis wrote:
Reorx wrote:
Neftis wrote:...Truth is I use windows 7, without antivirus, no updates, only an "after-market" firewall. Can you believe it? :lol: :lol: I'm serious. No problems so far.
So you currently do online banking from a windoze machine without an antivirus or internet security software (other than an "aftermarket firewall" (which you probably don't know how to configure well))... REALLY?!?!?!? :lol:

When you say "no problems so far" what you really mean is "no problems (that you know about) so far" - that is one of the big problems with windoze - malware can get on your machine and do its dirty work completely transparently (invisibly)... Caveat Windoze user...
Nooooooooo!!!

I don't feel THAT confident to even try. :lol:

But I 'll be honest with you. Windows 7 seem a lot safer to me than Google Android.
I don't trust the Google Store. Long story.

Using windows 7 without an antivirus is risky. I know. But something tells me that using an antivirus is even riskier.
It's an experiment on 3 different PC 's. The last 9 months is successful. Don't know about the future. Time will tell.

I got suspicious with the antivirus programs since I tried to install one on my android mobile phone. It asked previleges to access my camera. :shock:
REALLY? My camera? What for? That's it. Uninstalled all antivirus'es. Everything. I don't need that kind of "protection". Viruses is a risk I can fix when it hits me. Spieng (spying maybe) is the worst problem.
At least android asked me. That's a good point I have to take account.

I better be hacked by a single individual, poor russian or whatever the nationality, than the whole US goverment who sells my personal contacts to advertising companies.

What's your opinion?
Yea some apps on the Play store do ask for strange permisson sometimes but as long as the rating is good, You read the description (If the app is fake sometimes the "developer" will flat out tell you) and some of the comments and they are postive all should be fine. As for the Antivirus with the Camera the app probable had a way for you to troggle the flashlight on and off but that is only a guess. As for without an antivirus i would recommend some layer of protection. I use Sandboxie,Superantispyware,and the windows firewall and keep windows7 Patched. I would use an antivirus if but i Don't want that real time protection crap(Turning it off the service is still in the background :roll: ). On demand scanner all i need. And nowdays the antivirus makes it so you can't turn the service to manual. But I found the app called winpatrol which might let me do that. But i should be able to turn off the service nativily..... Be careful what you download, Use legit websites. And remember some stuff such as hack tools and keygen will always be flagged as malicious but this is usally a false postive. Oh and i have found that a lot of Windows malware goes off on a certain date :wink:
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