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Mint and Linux definately not a replacement for XP

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When MS announced XP was going out of support I made the big mistake of installing & transferring to Mint. What a mistake - it is so user unfriendly .

Trying to installing all but the basic packages has has taken me hrs - often without any success. Everything seems to require specialist knowldge of how to use the Terminal, and then information in the help forums is generally written in such a jargon ridden manner that its unintelligible to a casual user such as myself.

Latest timewaster has been trying to burn a CD using Brasero. This came up with error message saying how I had to manually install install mplex and DVDauthor - but no indicatioon on how to do this. A visit to the Brasero website showed that the version installed ( only 3 weeks ago from the Mint software installer) wa way out of date, so I downloaded the latest version - in a tar.xz file. What the F do you do with that ? After searchuing the web I have manged to extract the Brasero 3.10.0 file so now the challenge is how to actually get the app up and running. BAck to googling for some cliues, and I come up with:

$tar -zxvf program.tar.gz
change directory into unzipped folder

ie.. cd /download/program/

./configure

make

and the get into root

ie..

sudo su (for suse su is enough)

and enter your password..

make install

your are done.... cheers
...

Sounds simple ( not) but after the ./ configure command I get a long string of stuff ending with " configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found."

So now what do I do ? any ideas anyone.


Why the hell can't it just be download and double click to install ? The advantages of Windows are now becoming more an more obvious, even though they cost a hit up front.


On a final point - is there a decent video edito which will run in Linux ( and can be installed without a load of hassle ?

Help please before I deinstall Mint and go back to good old XP - with or without support at least it does the job.
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OK, take a deep breath and relax... new (to you) OSs can be reasonably expected to involve some degree of learning curve. If you are unable to tolerate learning curves, abandon Linux now and go back to windoze. If you are able to tolerate learning curves, stick around, you'll enjoy yourself...

This is required reading for all windoze refugees >>> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

I'm not sure, but I think that most of your frustration is self-inflicted... It looks as though mplex is already installed and DVDauthor is in the Mint repositories (open Synaptic and type dvdauthor in the search box). ALWAYS check the Mint repositories before scavenging the net looking for packages to install... Installing from the repos is a simple 2 or 3 click process.

You state that the Brasero that comes pre-installed with Mint is "way out of date" - does that mean it doesn't work or has problems or does it just mean it is not the latest and greatest version? Brasero seems work pretty well for the vast majority of Mint users... What was is that you couldn't do with it?

This might seem counter intuitive but newer is not necessarily better... older software while not being cutting edge is usually very time tested / stable / bugless. New software may have the latest and greatest features but can't claim time tested / stable / bugless.
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Not sure which version of Mint you are running but I have found Brasero to be trouble. The best burner software IMHO is K3B which can be installed either thro the software manager or in synaptic.

As for video editors have a look at this link.

http://www.linux.com/news/software/appl ... eo-editors
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On my LMDE system Brasero works perfectly fine. But I know it can be problematic. I also have K3B installed and I use both. Brasero is OK for burning image files (ISOs) for the most part and probably works fine with a lot of other formats too. But I use K3B for MP3s and such as it is more flexible.

The version you have has been tested against your release of LM and is what it is. It's included in the repositories and this is what is "approved" and should work for that version of Mint. The version you see on the web page is definitely going to be later for that reason. Can you download and install it if you know how? Sure, but that always runs a risk of something not working (as it was tested) or breaking something else.

Considering the hours (days, weeks, months) I have wasted each time I bought a new Windows PC, learning Linux is worth it. An initial update when you bring a Win machine home takes like 4 hours. If you're lucky and it doesn't fail as Win 8.1 is likely to. Then let's see, install Anti-virus, Adobe Reader, DVD playback stuff, CCCleaner and a dozen other 3rd party packages. And now I have to update each one separately? Oh wait, time to defrag again! How much money did I spend on all that? Gawd only knows.

All things considered, I have flushed a good month or more (in hours that is) of my entire life down the drain using Microsoft. The maintenance alone is horrendous compared to Linux.

EDIT: Add 2 weeks of my life wasted (in hours again) just rebooting for every install / update. :D
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Monflyer wrote:Trying to installing all but the basic packages has has taken me hrs - often without any success. Everything seems to require specialist knowldge of how to use the Terminal, and then information in the help forums is generally written in such a jargon ridden manner that its unintelligible to a casual user such as myself.
Monflyer, any switch to a new OS will require learning the system. I would have just as much trouble trying to use Windows as you are having with linux!
Monflyer wrote:After searchuing the web I have manged to extract the Brasero 3.10.0 file so now the challenge is how to actually get the app up and running. Why the hell can't it just be download and double click to install ?
I have never had to do anything with Brasero - except use it, (for many years). Installing programs in Linux is far easier and safer than with Windows. Most programs you need have been tested and placed in the repository for you, so you don't have to search for them.
Monflyer wrote:On a final point - is there a decent video edito which will run in Linux ( and can be installed without a load of hassle ?
Openshot and Avidemux are both good, and can be installed with Synaptic.
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Monflyer wrote:When MS announced XP was going out of support I made the big mistake of installing & transferring to Mint. What a mistake - it is so user unfriendly .

sudo su (for suse, su is enough)

So now what do I do ? any ideas anyone.

The advantages of Windows are now becoming more an more obvious, even though they cost a hit up front.


Help please before I de-install Mint and go back to good old XP - with or without support at least it does the job.
I'd demand a refund if I were you!

First off please can you quote the source that told you that Linux Mint is a direct replacement for Windows? This is so we can go there and correct their misinformation to save others, who like you, expect it to be so.

I note you mention knowledge of Suse , so why have you decided to transfer everything to Mint and not the system you claim to know, Suse? ; http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=08446

It would appear that the lure of a free operating system instead of paying MS for one has tempted you?

Why not do what most new Linux users do (including myself originally) and set up a dual boot of your chosen Linux (I imagine it would be Suse in your case?) so you can use the XP tools you crave when Linux doesn't fit the bill?
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<I> it is so user unfriendly . </I>

The stuff you were doing is 'not-recommended' and not for novices.

Brasero causes problems for a lot of people - try xfburn or k3b.

<I>saying how I had to manually install install mplex and DVDauthor - but no indicatioon on how to do this. </I>

The easiest and safest way to install is with synaptic, a GUI to the 'apt' software.
To install e.g. dvdauthor:
$ sudo synaptic
In synaptic, quick-search on the name you have: 'dvdauthor.'
Look in the (probably short) list and find and install the program.
You also search for things like 'cd burner'.
If your synaptic doesn't have the 'quick search' box on the main window...
OR
Use the MINT software/package manager, which is what most people do.
OR
$ sudo apt-get install dvdauthor
Either you have to know the correct name or how to make general names; so synaptic or 'mint package manager' (dunno the exact name) are your best bet.

Don't install things from source until you know what you're doing.
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=turtlebay777 - I'd demand a refund if I were you!
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Monflyer,
Many here are Microsoft windows refugees, having given up on the system, or preferring for our private use Linux over any work usage with windows. I'm sure the reasons are just as various as the people who moved to Linux. One phrase you need to learn for moving to any system is KISS, or "keep it simple stupid", because there's no sense in making things difficult at the start and then getting discouraged quickly. It's like someone going from a car to a powerboat and then surprised that having an engine and a steering wheel and some seats doesn't make it act just like a car. Most discover that when they look for the brake pedal just before beaching the boat faster than desired, lol.
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Thanks all for replies, some more helpful ( and sympathetic to a newbie ) than others.

To Reorx - thanks to the link to >>> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm - Looks helpful
I'm not sure, but I think that most of your frustration is self-inflicted... It looks as though mplex is already installed and DVDauthor is in the Mint repositories (open Synaptic and type dvdauthor in the search box). ALWAYS check the Mint repositories before scavenging the net looking for packages to install.
My frustratons may be self inflicted - but thats the point I am making - Mint/ linux is not helpful to newbies who have to blunder around getting partialy answers from Forums until they find something which works. I searched the Mint repository ( if thats the selection of apps offerred by the Software manager) and couldn't find mplex or DVDauthor. If someone says I looked in the wrong place - well again- how does a newbie know where to look. ( and the synaptic ? - thats the jargon point I am making)

Thanks FornhamFred - I had given up on Brasero and found K3B myself - job done ( and thanks for tip on video editors) . But again, that highlights part of my frustration - contray to what gtsfer says, even though Brasero is in the "approved" repository, it doesn't work for me , and others have obvioulsy had the same problem.

Turtlebay777 - I'm afraid you have gone too far off the realworld to appreciate the point I am making ( thanks Flemur and Spearmint 2 for your support) It has been difficult to not notice the whole raft of pop- ups, adverts, etc material across the web saying now's the time to make the move from XP to Mint/ Ubunto or other LInux repos. Apologies if it wasn't clear that the line " sudo su (for suse, su is enough) " implied that i am familiar with suse ( whoever she is) . Its a quote from one of the Forum answers I was trying to make sense of to solve my problem. I HAVE set up a dual boot system and it was my brave attempt to try one more functionality which is effortless in XP ( burning a cd) in Mint which triggered my orginal post.

So in summary, my overall conclusions from my first tentative post on this forum:

- Mint/ Linux is not as intuitive as Windows, and you have to learn a lot of jargon to really get on with it - but it may well be worth if ( Next task for me is to find out what the synaptic is ).

- There are lots of people out there to help you - but equally some who assume everyone has advanced knowledge of Linux programing. My plea is to be patient on a forum such as this, which is obviously for newbies, and to recognise that many people will want to just stay at "user" level. Also to be patient if when someone ust "says it as it is" without being precisely accurate technically or breaches siome ( to them) unknown protocol.

- I will stick with Mint and try and learn the simple things like how to install from a tar.gz file, but recognise that its a trade off - do I pay for a Windows pacakge which at least will do what it says on the lid ( or I get a refund) - or do I invest my own time in trying to get something to work in Mint. In some cases, the cost benefit will go in favour of Windows ( despite my inherent dislike of the underpinning business model;) in others in favour of Mint.

So - now I have managed to burn my CD, forthcoming tasks are :

- find out what the synaptic is - several posts seemed to say it would make things easier
- try and get Skype or an equivalent working in Mint
- try out a video edito
- find something which handles .igc files and can display them on google earth

No doubt I will be back for advise at some stage, but thanks to those who made constructive comments. For those sniping at a newbies ignorance - do you laugh at babies who can't wlk - or do you give them a helping hand ?
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I agree it can be confusing and frustrating hearing all the "expert" recommendations and not knowing what to do.

Synaptic: Click the "Menu" button on the bottom left, then select "Package Manager" - that is Synaptic.

If you are looking to install applications and want to get a better overview, use the "Software Manager". Again, click the Menu button and select the Software Manager. The Software Manager is similar to the App store in Apple devices, only that you won't need a credit card. You find different categories of applications and can then read more about each application and what it does. It even has user ratings, so the top rated applications come first. Take the time to read what an application does before installing. You can also use the search function to search for an application, but beware, it's not very smart. For example, "burning" will give me k3b, brasero and other apps, but not xfburn, whereas "burner" will get me only "xfburn". Searching for "dvd" brings up everything DVD related (including DVD ripping applications and more) but not xfburn (it's listed as a CD burner).

For a newbie, you should NEVER download any application from a website - use either Software Manager or Package Manager (Synaptic). You should also not need to compile programs (whenever someone tells you to run ./configure, make, etc.).

To figure out what the Linux equivalent of a Windows application is, look here: Top 50 Proprietary apps and their Open Source Alternatives. Follow the link in the first post. Note that they mention OpenOffice as the replacement of Microsoft Office, but Linux Mint ships with "LibreOffice". Don't worry, LibreOffice is largely based on OpenOffice and should work as well.

In time I hope you will be able to enjoy Linux Mint.
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Monflyer wrote:Thanks all for replies, some more helpful (and sympathetic to a newbie) than others.
That's mainly because of the tone of your post.
Monflyer wrote:To Reorx - thanks to the link to >>> http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm - Looks helpful
It's required reading for windoze refugees - read it and understand it... :mrgreen:
Monflyer wrote:I'm not sure, but I think that most of your frustration is self-inflicted... It looks as though mplex is already installed and DVDauthor is in the Mint repositories (open Synaptic and type dvdauthor in the search box). ALWAYS check the Mint repositories before scavenging the net looking for packages to install.

My frustratons may be self inflicted - but thats the point I am making - Mint/ linux is not helpful to newbies who have to blunder around getting partialy answers from Forums until they find something which works.
You're wrong! The Mint forums are very helpful to newbies - watch and see... Unfortunately, there's no "How to..." manual for windoze newbies or mac newbies or linux / Mint newbies. Yes there are a multitude of PDFs out there that "introduce" newbies to various environments but they are not definitive / complete works... they usually just scratch the surface...
Monflyer wrote:I searched the Mint repository ( if thats the selection of apps offerred by the Software manager) and couldn't find mplex or DVDauthor. If someone says I looked in the wrong place - well again- how does a newbie know where to look. ( and the synaptic ? - thats the jargon point I am making)
EVERY environment has jargon - it's just that the jargon here is different from the jargon which you are familiar with in windoze... There 's no magical way to give you the jargon by osmosis - you become familiar by reading this forum and other locations... Unfortunately, I don't know of any jargon manual for any environment... I hate the mac environments partially because they are so foreign to me (I'm a windoze refugee too). The only reason you are so comfortable with the windoze jargon is because you learned it slowly over many years (decades). 10 years from now you will probably be as familiar with Linux as you are with windoze!... and if you go back to windoze in 10 years it will seem foreign and not very "user friendly". Hell, the last windoze I used was Win7 and Win8.x looks foreign to me!...

In terms of searching for software - there are 2 main tools for doing that... Software Manager and Package Manager (Synaptic). Software manager is useful if you don't know the name of a package but you are looking for some sort of functionality - it allows you to search by category or functionality... Synaptic (Menu > All Applications > Synaptic) is better if you know the name of what you are looking for... >>>
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Monflyer wrote:So in summary, my overall conclusions from my first tentative post on this forum:

- Mint/ Linux is not as intuitive as Windows...
... to windoze users... To Mint users, it is far more intuitive than the current Microsuck offering... it's just a matter of perspective...
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Monflyer wrote: ...and you have to learn a lot of jargon to really get on with it...
No more than windoze - it's just different (unfamiliar) jargon...
Monflyer wrote: - There are lots of people out there to help you - but equally some who assume everyone has advanced knowledge of Linux programing...
Bullsh*t!!! I don't know a lick of Linux programming... although I DO know how to write a batch file in windoze... OBTW, in Linux a batch file is called a "script" and it doesn't have to end in any particular extension (like .bat in windoze)... It is true that some replies do assume a certain amount of intelligence / experience that might not apply... if that is the case, simply ask nicely for an explanation... When asking questions, be direct, avoid negativity and editorial comments, include your version (Mint 17) and Desktop Environment (jargon = "DE" / examples include Cinnamon, MATE, KDE, XFCE)... never use a lot of words when a few will do...
Monflyer wrote: - I will stick with Mint and try and learn the simple things like how to install from a tar.gz file...
You could do that but you might be torturing yourself un-necessarily! I have been using Linux Mint full time at home and at work for 3 years or so and I have never installed anything from a tar.gz... never needed to! Almost everything I need comes from the Mint repositories... on the rare occasion that something I want is not in the repos, I have been lucky enough to find a .deb file (a self-installing file/package - to use windoze jargon)...
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Monflyer wrote:When MS announced XP was going out of support I made the big mistake of installing & transferring to Mint. What a mistake - it is so user unfriendly .

Trying to installing all but the basic packages has has taken me hrs - often without any success. Everything seems to require specialist knowldge of how to use the Terminal, and then information in the help forums is generally written in such a jargon ridden manner that its unintelligible to a casual user such as myself.

Latest timewaster has been trying to burn a CD using Brasero. This came up with error message saying how I had to manually install install mplex and DVDauthor - but no indicatioon on how to do this. A visit to the Brasero website showed that the version installed ( only 3 weeks ago from the Mint software installer) wa way out of date, so I downloaded the latest version - in a tar.xz file. What the F do you do with that ? After searchuing the web I have manged to extract the Brasero 3.10.0 file so now the challenge is how to actually get the app up and running. BAck to googling for some cliues, and I come up with:

$tar -zxvf program.tar.gz
change directory into unzipped folder

ie.. cd /download/program/

./configure

make

and the get into root

ie..

sudo su (for suse su is enough)

and enter your password..

make install

your are done.... cheers
...

Sounds simple ( not) but after the ./ configure command I get a long string of stuff ending with " configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found."

So now what do I do ? any ideas anyone.


Why the hell can't it just be download and double click to install ? The advantages of Windows are now becoming more an more obvious, even though they cost a hit up front.


On a final point - is there a decent video edito which will run in Linux ( and can be installed without a load of hassle ?

Help please before I deinstall Mint and go back to good old XP - with or without support at least it does the job.
The above post seems to say listen to my rant and you better help me or I will quit. Well enjoy XP it is and was a fine OS.
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Monflyer wrote:
My frustratons may be self inflicted - but thats the point I am making - Mint/ linux is not helpful to newbies who have to blunder around

Turtlebay777 - I'm afraid you have gone too far off the realworld to appreciate the point I am making



- Mint/ Linux is not as intuitive as Windows, and you have to learn a lot of jargon to really get on with it - but it may well be worth if ( Next task for me is to find out what the synaptic is ).

- There are lots of people out there to help you - but equally some who assume everyone has advanced knowledge of Linux programing. My plea is to be patient on a forum such as this, which is obviously for newbies, and to recognise that many people will want to just stay at "user" level. Also to be patient if when someone ust "says it as it is" without being precisely accurate technically or breaches siome ( to them) unknown protocol.


No doubt I will be back for advise at some stage, but thanks to those who made constructive comments. For those sniping at a newbies ignorance - do you laugh at babies who can't wlk - or do you give them a helping hand ?

Hey brother Monflyer, Can you just get into a lorry/submarine/ aeroplane and drive it without reading up on how to do it first? No! Then why on earth do you assume you can just use an entirely different operating system without reading up on it first also?

Your post was a rant so it was as an answer to a rant that I replied. Your fault you should have been polite!

As the other poster remarked- B*llsh*t! I know nothing about programming Linux but I can READ!
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Monflyer wrote:Why the hell can't it just be download and double click to install ? The advantages of Windows are now becoming more an more obvious, even though they cost a hit up front.


On a final point - is there a decent video edito which will run in Linux ( and can be installed without a load of hassle ?

Help please before I deinstall Mint and go back to good old XP - with or without support at least it does the job.
Linux was never meant to be a replacement for Windows XP, or in fact any Windows. I can't really see why it would be as it is entirely different. If you would like something similar to Windows XP, then pethaps another Windows would be more apropriate ?
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http://www.linuxmint.com/rel_qiana_mate_whatsnew.php

The Manual for Linux Mint MATE 17
http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation.php

a tar.gz file is simply a double zipped file containing a lot of other files. Once it's been completely unzipped, those files can be compiled. Often there's a read file included telling how to do it.
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Thanks to those who clarified what the Synaptic Manger is/ does . Looks like it will be really useful.

I'm done here ( and I genuinely do mean thanks to those who provided constructive advice) , but looks like some contributors could carry on the discussions amongst themselves up in the stratosphere .
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Monflyer wrote:Thanks to those who clarified what the Synaptic Manger is/ does . Looks like it will be really useful.

I'm done here ( and I genuinely do mean thanks to those who provided constructive advice) , but looks like some contributors could carry on the discussions amongst themselves up in the stratosphere .
....and yet you are still here, only now you are whineing about other users. Bye bye.
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I made my living off of MS for a large part of my career, but I harbor no love for them. I installed my first Linux, having been in it for about a year (Ubuntu, Mint, Suse, with various desktops). Here's what I think, even though no one asked:

Windows has become lowest common denominator software, so while it'll do a lot, it doesn't do anything particularly well. It tries to be all things to all people, while remaining under Central Control. Mediocrity is rewarded, excellence destroyed by the death of a thousand cuts.

"Remove this function... too complex for some users"
"Hide that file, no user will ever need in there"
"Remove access to that"
and so on.

Windows is to VHS what Linux is Betamax. If you stand head and shoulders above the rest in the MS world, you just get decapitated.

Windows is fine for what it is. but that's all it is. It seems like the Linux world is much more of a meritocracy, with programs rising and falling based on whether or not they give their users what they want, not what the front office told the programmers to build.
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Re: Mint and Linux definately not a replacement for XP

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Monflyer wrote:...but looks like some contributors could carry on the discussions amongst themselves up in the stratosphere .
This is what I was referring to when I suggested avoiding negativity and editorial comment... That comment was totally un-necessary - what could you possibly hope to accomplish with it???

You probably don't know this because you're a newbie but this is a relatively small community of users of varying experience levels who come here to give something back to the community and to Mint... They are not paid - they do what they do out of the goodness of their hearts... What they don't need or want is brain damage from an ill mannered neophyte... a word to the wise - be nice... especially when you want something from somebody else who is under no obligation to give it to you...

Good luck and Enjoy the Mint! :mrgreen:
Full time Linux Mint user since 2011 - Currently running mostly LM19C and a little LM20C.

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Re: Mint and Linux definately not a replacement for XP

Post by turtlebay777 »

monkeyboy wrote:
Your quote ' Complaining is like masticating most anyone can do it.
However doing it in public is really hardcore.
Sorry I just realised you wrote masticating. My poor eyesight!
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