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SOLVED - Now retired - want to learn and use linux - any su?

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I have tried for years (remember lindows/linspire) but because work was necessary and time was tight i could not keep up - it seemed to move too fast for my learning curve. Now money tight but lots of time - now MY memory often gets flakey! and I have to write everything down - or it is lost.

Are there any books necessary - to learn to use terminal? This is the computer I have - will it work - need anything - more memory?

charlie@b0b-NY799A ~ $ inxi -v7
System: Host: b0b-NY799A Kernel: 3.13.0-24-generic x86_64 (64 bit, gcc: 4.8.2) Desktop: N/A Distro: Linux Mint 17 Qiana
Machine: System: HP-Pavilion product: NY799AA-ABA p6243w Chassis: Hewlett-Packard type: 3
Mobo: PEGATRON model: NARRA5 version: 5.00 Bios: Phoenix version: 5.48 date: 07/30/2009
CPU: Single core AMD Sempron LE-1200 (-UP-) cache: 512 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3) bmips: 2009.06 clocked at 1000.00 MHz
Graphics: Card: NVIDIA C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] bus-ID: 00:0d.0
X.Org: 1.15.1 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau) Resolution: 1600x900@60.0hz
GLX Renderer: GeForce 6150SE nForce 430/integrated/SSE2 GLX Version: 2.1.2 NVIDIA 304.117 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio: Card: NVIDIA MCP61 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:05.0 Sound: ALSA ver: k3.13.0-24-generic
Network: Card: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet driver: forcedeth port: fc00 bus-ID: 00:07.0
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: 00:26:18:7b:c8:f0
WAN IP: 67.232.131.165 IF: eth0 ip: 192.168.0.7 ip-v6: fe80::226:18ff:fe7b:c8f0
Drives: HDD Total Size: 320.1GB (2.7% used) 1: id: /dev/sda model: Hitachi_HDT72103 size: 320.1GB serial: STA207MT099PZC
Optical: /dev/sr0 model: N/A rev: N/A dev-links: cdrom
Features: speed: 40x multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: N/A
Partition: ID: / size: 80G used: 8.0G (11%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
label: N/A uuid: fd8f9539-6809-4bf6-af7e-f23109316fc4
ID: /home/charlie size: 80G used: 8.0G (11%) fs: ecryptfs dev: /dev//home/charlie/.Private
label: N/A uuid: N/A
RAID: System: supported: N/A
No RAID devices detected - /proc/mdstat and md_mod kernel raid module present
Unused Devices: none
Unmounted: ID: /dev/sda1 size: 0.10G label: SYSTEM uuid: 6ADCEE14DCEDDA79
ID: /dev/sda2 size: 116.60G label: HP uuid: 266CF08F6CF05ACF
ID: /dev/sda3 size: 12.82G label: FACTORY_IMAGE uuid: 28D4F190D4F1608C
ID: /dev/sda5 size: 100.02G label: N/A uuid: 4b6f153a-e68d-4cac-95ff-f05a776580cd
ID: /dev/sda7 size: 4.16G label: N/A uuid: N/A
ID: /dev/sr0 size: 1.07G label: N/A uuid: N/A
Sensors: None detected - is lm-sensors installed and configured?
Info: Processes: 153 Uptime: 21 min Memory: 685.5/3826.5MB Runlevel: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.2 Client: Shell inxi: 1.8.4
charlie@b0b-NY799A ~ $
Thanks in advance - for any help or directions....
Charlie Noble
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Hi Charlie and welcome

Not too much of a beginner, you got your system up and running (did you install the nforce driver?) and able to provide the details of his machine.
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BobLuck wrote:Are there any books necessary - to learn to use terminal?
These are all very good for learning terminal commands:
http://flossmanuals.net/command-line/
http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz
http://cli.learncodethehardway.org/book/


This is a site with other useful documentation to get you started: http://www.tldp.org/. Some of it is a little dated, but general principles still apply. I think a good one to start with is the 5th listing down in the Guides section of the site -- Introduction to Linux - A Hands on Guide. It's book you can read online or download to computer in various formats.

BobLuck wrote:This is the computer I have - will it work - need anything - more memory?
It looks like you've already go it installed. If you're not having any problems, then you're fine. 4GB Memory is plenty; single core Sempron is not very powerful, but should be fine for all basic computing needs. You've already got the NVidia driver installed -- looks to me like you're good to go.
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That would be this box then? Ought to be fine.
http://h20565.www2.hp.com/portal/site/h ... .492883150

You don't need a book. If you want to use the terminal just dig in. There's plenty of exploring ahead.

Off the top of my head..

Enable the keyboard shortcut to launch terminal.
Mint Menu > Keyboard Shortcuts. Scroll down to "Run a Terminal" and to its right click on "Disabled", press the shortcut wanted: Ctrl + Alt + t

and it's alt-f10 to maximize it.

after that, be aware of the 'man' command to see the manual entry of anything you're curious about.

ie, 'ls' will give you a list of files in the directory you're in. Do 'man ls' to see a bunch more options that ls can do.

If and when you get into scripts, this is handy
http://explainshell.com/

And for learning scripts, just pick any simple project. You'll pick up the basics quicker by trying it out. Something like make a little script that changes your wallpaper automatically.
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If you check your distribtion via the package manager; I use synaptic and look for help; you will find many help files (usually in html ) that you can read
Bash
--terminal, shell operations
introduction to Linux
--there is an intro to Linux book freely available, and many online or free tutorials or guides
  • As well as much on Youtube for specific issues, usually..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZmJ63sHoKU
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=intro+to+Linux+pdf
--some PDF books available

http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/intro-linux.pdf
--this is the book I was thinking of..

And if you want you can use the downloader program available on Linux distributions to download a youtube video for later offline reading/viewing..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZmJ63sHoKU
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... ser+guides

I think youtube-dl is a command line app for the terminal
http://alternativeto.net/software/youtu ... form=linux
--and other choices are also possible..
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Hi Charlie,

since LinuxMint is based upon the Ubuntu O/S,
- try and get a copy of the The Official Ubuntu Book:

Amazon - $21.87
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... rowatch-20

informIT - $31.99
http://www.informit.com/store/official- ... 0133905397

- have a good read of that.
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Welcome :D

Take it slow and you will do fine. It's not very hard if you don't let yourself be overwhelmed by the load of new information hitting your brain. I learned after retirement and if I can do it, you can, too. You'll see.
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Hi Charlie,

I'm retired too - been using LinuxMint since April - haven't had time to learn as much as I'd like due to an ongoing kitchen remodeling job, but here's some things that might be useful, from a previous post of mine (some may have already been mentioned above):

http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.p ... 83#p883517
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If you're a Windows user, stick with Windows as your main machine.
Install an easy-for-noobs Linux distro as either a dual-boot, or in a virtual machine. Then, slowly peck away at apps in Linuxland that your comfortable easing into (web browser, email, media player, etc...)
When you're stumped, you can always fall back on Windows until you sort out any problems you have. Slowly you'll find you can replace most of your computer habits with a Linux alternative.
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What a Great Forum !! I am whelmed - No, I am Overwhelmed! I expected to come back tomorrow or a couple of days and find an answer or two with some references I could look up and read.

Many Thanks to: MartyMint - I still have my laptop working with Win7 - but I dislike Win8 so much and am sure Win7 will be dropped soon - I stayed with Win2000 for as long as I could. I should have done what you suggested years ago - hindsight 20/20.

Also Thanks to: slipstick - I will sure get to it.

And to: Adelante - Everything I do now is done s l o w.

And - Pierre - I have wondered about those - noticed them on Amazon, In fact I tried Ubuntu first - seemed too big and too rapid changes for me, but I'm sure the books would be a great help. Thanks.

Also: DrHu, ofb, gold_finger - good references - Thanks

And - PatH57 I found that ' inxi -v7 ' while reading Newbie Questions.
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BobLuck wrote:...and am sure Win7 will be dropped soon...
Windows 7 is supported with critical updates until 2020, I believe.
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I have been using Linux Mint for 2 and a half years and I have hardly learned anything. :D
What I mean by that is that Mint has been so easy that I found it no more difficult to run than Windows or OSX.
If you are looking for a retirement hobby I might suggest looking at Arch or Slackware. Mint won't keep you occupied very long. 8)
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Friend of mine twigged me on to this yesterday.

http://lifehacker.com/learn-linux-with- ... 1612770920

Enjoy!
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and because every OS needs a hardware
http://visit4it.files.wordpress.com/201 ... -guide.pdf just to have an idea.
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Pierre wrote:Hi Charlie,

since LinuxMint is based upon the Ubuntu O/S,
- try and get a copy of the The Official Ubuntu Book:

Amazon - $21.87
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... rowatch-20

informIT - $31.99
http://www.informit.com/store/official- ... 0133905397

- have a good read of that.
I wanted to add to this, that you will very very often see people say "You don't need a book, follow these links!"
Well, for me personally, a book from a professional, with a professional editor broken down into chapters and stated clearly and succinctly was a MAJOR break through. As in, tryed and hated linux like 5 times, read half of one book now I use a "hard" distro and try and convince others linux may work for them :P
Particularly for an older guy I could see the traditional route of a book offering a little more, and I am sure you know its nice to have something in hand to flip through. I used the first few chapter of "The Linux Bible", ignoring the heavy ones on server administration. Easy book that starts from the basics. Technically aimed at fedora but I used it to learn mint and the main different I notice was that instead of using the command line program "yum" you use "apt-get" (and obviously the exact syntax is different between the two tools)

More then anything, just pay attention, and read what the terminal spits back at you. So often you will see stuff like:
[...]
Sounds simple ( not) but after the ./ configure command I get a long string of stuff ending with " configure: error: glib-compile-schemas not found."

So now what do I do ? any ideas anyone.
[...]
when people are asking for help... But a lot of people don't pay enough attention to realize IT JUST TOLD THEM "error: glib-compile-schemas not found.", so go to software manager and make sure you have the package "glib-compile-schemas"... Maybe that does not seem obvious right away, but it should be a little obvious that the line starting with "configure:error:" is where the error is, and that if the error is that something is not found... You should figure out what it is and if you have it.
So often you will see people issue terminal commands they copy and pasted, where something like a copy command fails and says something like "file xyz-13.04.12.tar not found"... because its old instructions and they downloaded xyz-13.04.13 yet they don't bother reading the terminal output enough to see the file name is just slightly off. Don't just say "oh man... wall of text... what do I do!". That wall is made up of lines, just read them one at a time and google what you don't understand (especially if it says ERROR on that line :P)
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There is a free on-line Linux course starting in a few days at https://www.edx.org/
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I don't think anyone linked the obvious yet, so I will. It's the Mint Linux handbook for Mint 17, freshly published and free.

http://www.linuxmint.com/documentation.php
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Good choice BobLuck, the terminal is a very powerful tool, even if it's true now it's no longer necessary to learn it for daily use for most users (my father is retired too and is using Linuxmint without terminal).

As others said, go to your own pace, and you will enjoy it much days after days. Sometimes a GUI can be confortable, but other times the terminal and text based configuration prove to be much more useful and quick (when I need the calendar I just type "cal", when I need to know my remaining memory or hard drive space I just type "free -m" or "df -h", when I need to migrate configurations to a new computer, for example folder shares I just copy the old /etc/samba/ folder to the now one)

I can only give you 2 advices:

- first, just copy every new command you learn to a personal notepad. Don't just rely on your memory, copy the receipe: this way it won't be painful to "remember" it again when you really need it (by painful I mean to browse again websites to find again the right command). I can recommand also to set up a personal wiki for this usage, dokuwiki for example, it's easy to install and it's only file based (no sql database).
The natural memory will come after that, after you refer to an entry in your notepad 3 or 4 times...

- if you need to still use ms Windows for some usage, you can also install on the windows computer a decent bash shell and unix tools with Cygwin: https://cygwin.com/
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farvardin wrote:GI can only give you 2 advices:

- first, just copy every new command you learn to a personal notepad. Don't just rely on your memory, copy the receipe: this way it won't be painful to "remember" it again when you really need it (by painful I mean to browse again websites to find again the right command). I can recommand also to set up a personal wiki for this usage, dokuwiki for example, it's easy to install and it's only file based (no sql database).
The natural memory will come after that, after you refer to an entry in your notepad 3 or 4 times...
Obviously this is not a bad idea... HOWEVER do not forget auto complete. Pressing tab at the command line will attempt to auto complete whatever command you have begun typing... if there are multiple commands that it could be it will show you all the possibilities. Obviously you have to remember enough to get started, but great for spelling at least. Also amazing to as a spelling/sanity check on paths, as you could type:
"mv /et
" which will auto complete "move /etc/", however if you accidently "mv /ec
" it will not give you anything and you know you accidentally typed /ect instead of /etc...
Great for complex file names too.
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