Another example - and related to all editions - is the Samba problem some time ago. This example shows the problematic situation especially, because on the one hand security fixes in this software are especially important for securing the system, on the other hand the second last update produced a regression.killer de bug wrote:Today on LMDE2, I discovered that Nemo 3.0.1 is segfaulting on my system. It came as an official level 1 or 2 update. But it crashes. I have installed Nemo 3.0.2 from git and the problem is solved. But once again, the point is that it was an official level 1 or 2 update. Even these updates can have unexpected results.
BTW, the post by Clem, which KDB linked above, would be worth to pin somehow. As posts cannot be pinned (to my knowledge) I take this chance to suggest a locked thread, where team members collect links to this (and probably other) posts, so that they can (rather) easily be found. KDB (and others): what do you think about that?
Regarding the disclaimer: As so often: who does this read? Especially those (newbies), who should, don't do it (very mostly). OK, this is their fault, but if they read: install this or change that, they have not in view and not in mind, that these are "relative and personal" advices. This is the sad fact, as it exists.
Another fact is, that users do mistakes. (Yes, I do also.) But when users do those mistakes, because they applied receipt-book advices without any understanding, what they really do, it is very hard - or even impossible - to find out, where the user-mistake happened. Out of this reason it will nearly surely be a secret for all times, why in this case (this thread) the installation of Leafpad ended with uninstalling Cinnamon. That makes a difference to experienced users: We (at least I) also do mistakes, but mostly we are able to find out, which mistake and why. This case here shows, that it is sometimes even impossible to analyze, what really had happened. And if those problems result in reactions, like KDB described at the end of his last post, it is really a pity: Instead of enhancing the user experience with Mint the opposite is reached, a frustrated user, who feels better with Windows. (Although endless numbers of Windows forums show, that Windows is not a trouble-free OS).
This is the sentence, which I like at most. Yes, this would be the way to go: Help the new user to understand, what he got after installing Mint. Not to circumvent the fact that every DE brings his own text editor or file manager, not to solve problems, which he does not have in most cases. but to learn, how to handle his system.Pjotr wrote:I think it's better to help beginners to get to know and understand their Linux Mint.
As I did not to create a web site about this matter I did in the past not take the time to make deeper thoughts about that. The following is out of this reason a shot out of the hip and can surely get improved; take it as a kind of scratch-board of ideas.
My idea is, that the new user should get advised - for the goal to learn Linux / Mint - to create a new user account (without sudo membership). At first he will learn, how to accomplish this (first learning step). At second he can play with this additional account and can do, what ever he wants. He cannot do any harm to the system; in the worst case this playground account can be deleted, nothing that gives frustration about the Linux system. He can accommodate his browser, his file manager, whatever he wants, the system will not get affected by this.
In a later step he can get advised to learn how to use the terminal. Starting with commands like inxi or ls, both commands, which do not even change anything on the playground account, but give the user the learning experience, how to work with the terminal and how to get a comfortable feeling by using terminal commands. He would learn, that Linux is case-sensitive (inxi -S is something different than inxi -s) and so on.
Something like that as "first things to do" would IMO really help newbies to "know and understand their Linux Mint". When they later - with this starting experiences - really do system changes, they at least have an idea, what they do. They would - hopefully - know, how to use the bash history to find out out, what they did and so on.
@Pjotr, and personal:
Without any doubts you put much effort in your website and it is a rich collection of knowledge. I do not want to reduce its importance. My point is, that all things in the world can - how well they are done - get improved. In this case improved for the special, but important group of newbie users. It is not my intention to tell you, what or how you have to write, as this is not a community project, but your own. But as those advices do affect Mint users - as in this case - it is of course of interest for the community. Your web site appears somehow like a wiki and some users seem to understand it in this way, although it is a one-man show. So please understand my ideas as thoughts, where things can (or should) get improved with the goal, to enhance the usability of your site for the community. A web site is obviously not a personal to-do list, but written for the public; out of this reason the community has a legitimate interest, what and how is advised there.