Cinnamon vs xfce?

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Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by jazz59 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:14 pm

Hi
Which ver of mint is easier on resources for an old laptop?
And is there a way to make the xfce start menu look and feel like the Cinnamon start menu?

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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by WharfRat » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:22 pm

xfce would be the preferred desktop for older hardware.

I don't think you can make changes to make it look like Cinnamon.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by xenopeek » Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:27 pm

Xfce is indeed better for an old laptop.

The question about the menu you'll have to detail more what exactly you are missing. Both menus show your applications sorted in categories with you just needing to hover your cursor over the category to make the applications in that category be shown. In both menus you can start typing to find programs quickly. Both have a list of recently used files. Both have a bar with quick access to settings, lock screen, user switching/logout/reboot/shutdown. With both you can right click a program to make a launcher for it on your desktop, panel, or favorites. Both have favorite programs quickly accessible in your menu. Only real difference I see is Cinnamon's menu allows you to uninstall programs from right-click menu and it has the favorites in the left sidebar instead of as a category in the menu (the default category when you open the Xfce menu).

Perhaps you're thinking of some other distro you tried that had Xfce. Linux Mint uses the Whisker menu for Xfce.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by jazz59 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:00 pm

It's not so much as what they do, just the layout.
I like the power button on the bottom, more familiar like windows.
just a few minor things

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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by WharfRat » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:14 pm

LXDE is a nice desktop. I used it when I ran gentoo. I has a look similar to Mate

http://lxde.org/

Unfortunately, Mint doesn't offer the LXDE version any more, but It is in the repos.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by Hoser Rob » Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:43 am

There's just no question that Xfce is better for an old laptop. It'll be quite noticeably faster on a new laptop.

Cinnamon is similar to other modern large DEs like Unity or Gnome 3 ... it needs 3D hardware video acceleration just by itself, and you can't turn the composting effects. Which you should in Xfce BTW in an old laptop. Basically forget the eye candy on most old hardware.

When you read all that stuff about linux "breathing life into old hardware", well, it's true. But Linux is actually technically just the kernel. It doesn't mean that you can run modern DEs properly on old hardware. Or even modern app software.

As mentioned, trying to make Xfce look or work like Cinnamon is a waste of time. It's different from Cinnamon and the best thing is to work with it.

I've used LXDE and I do like it. In fact if the long term release of Lubuntu was supported for 5 years like most other Ubuntu flavors (or Mint) I'd probably be using Lubuntu on my netbook. But it's not the most beginner friendly DE because it doesn't have all those nice GUI tools for config stuff. Which is partly why it's do light and fast.

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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by Proxima » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:24 am

I'm using a 10 years old laptop (HP nc6400) myself and Mint 18 Cinnamon works really, really well. It is mostly a web-browsing, google-earthing, tune playing machine, some light graphics editing sometimes too :wink:
I can see that your specifications are roughly similiar to mine(if it's the same laptop you mentioned in other threads), except for weaker CPU and less RAM - that last part is going to be your main problem. Sometimes even my 2GB feel like not enough when I'm browsing web - actually considering putting 4GB in there.

As for CPU, you should be able to very cheaply put a significantly (according to various benchmarks, like 30-40% for single-core tasks) faster one in there. Didn't look into it thoroughly, but a quick google search says that you should be able to put a C2D T7200 (some people say even up to T7600 - but it's very expensive and not really worth it) in there. A second hand T7200 is like 2-3$ with shipping if you look around.

As for LXDE, in my case Lubuntu seemed to have some issues with GMA950, although it might work in your case somehow.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by bbaker6212 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:30 am

jazz59 wrote:It's not so much as what they do, just the layout.
I like the power button on the bottom, more familiar like windows.
just a few minor things
For lightweight using the latest Kernel with good UI, I prefer Linux Mint 18 Mate or Linux Lite 3.0.
They are both very good. Two advantages to Mint 18 IMO is support for UEFI boot/install and much better support via a more active user forum.
But given your old machine UEFI won't be an issue so you should give Lite 3.0 a try. Mint 17.3 Xfce would also be a good choice to try.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by edwardr » Fri Jul 01, 2016 1:18 pm

You can configure the Whisker menu in xfce to move the search box and power button to the bottom of the menu. That's what I do.
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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by jazz59 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:27 pm

Hi and thanks for all the replies.
Where is this Whisker menu? I can not find it even with search.

And how do I move the quit and search to the bottom of menu.
I looked in menu edit but can not find a setting there for that.

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Re: Cinnamon vs xfce?

Post by BG405 » Fri Jul 01, 2016 5:15 pm

What's the spec of the laptop? Cinnamon runs like lightning on my old Dell, videos are playing by the time you've released the mouse button and web browsing is pretty quick, everything else seems fast too. It might be fine on yours too if you have 2GB or more RAM and a dual-core processor. Only way to be sure is to try it out.

Dell specs for reference (some of these options might be unnecessary) - sudo required in my case to show memory info:

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brian@SERVER ~ $ sudo inxi -AbDGmMxx
[sudo] password for brian: 
System:    Host: SERVER Kernel: 3.19.0-32-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 4.8.2)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 2.8.8 (Gtk 3.10.8~8+qiana) dm: mdm
           Distro: Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
Machine:   System: Dell product: Inspiron 1525 serial: <EDITED>
           Mobo: Dell model: 0U990C serial: .<EDITED>.
           Bios: Dell v: A11 date: 03/10/2008
           Chassis: type: 8 serial: <EDITED>
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core2 Duo T5550 (-MCP-) speed/max: 1333/1833 MHz
Memory:    Array-1 capacity: 4 GB devices: 2 EC: None
           Device-1: DIMM_A size: 2 GB speed: 667 MHz type: DDR
           manufacturer: 7F7F7F0B00000000 part: NT2GT64U8HC0BN-3C serial: <EDITED>
           Device-2: DIMM_B size: 1 GB speed: N/A type: DDR
           manufacturer: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF part: N/A serial: FFFFFFFF
           Device-3: N/A size: N/A speed: N/A type: N/A
           manufacturer: N/A part: N/A serial: N/A
           Device-4: N/A size: N/A speed: N/A type: N/A
           manufacturer: N/A part: N/A serial: N/A
Graphics:  Card: Intel Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (primary)
           bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:2a02
           Display Server: X.org 1.17.1 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           tty size: 90x30 Advanced Data: N/A for root
Audio:     Card Intel 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:284b
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k3.19.0-32-generic
Network:   Card-1: Marvell 88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller
           driver: sky2 v: 1.30 port: de00 bus-ID: 09:00.0 chip-ID: <EDITED>
           Card-2: Broadcom BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY
           driver: wl bus-ID: 0b:00.0 chip-ID: 14e4:4315
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 250.1GB (53.4% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD2500BEVS size: 250.1GB
           serial: WD-WX<EDITED>26 temp: 44C
Info:      Processes: 180 Uptime: 1 day Memory: 1873.7/2999.6MB
           Init: Upstart v: 1.12.1 runlevel: 2 default: 2 Gcc sys: 4.8.4
           Client: Shell (sudo running in bash) inxi: 2.2.28
Dell Inspiron 1525 - LM17.3 CE 64-------------------Lenovo T440 4GB - Manjaro KDE, LM17.3 KDE 32
Toshiba NB250 - Manjaro KDE------------------------K7S5A AMD 1.2GHz - LM17.3 Xfce 32 & WinXP-Pro
Acer Aspire E11 ES1-111M - LM18.2 KDE 64 ----Dell PII 350 64MB - Puppy 4.3 & Win98-SE

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