What's the current thinking on online (cloud) backup?

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What's the current thinking on online (cloud) backup?

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I've tried Dropbox and Mega, but I thought I'd pick the community brains. So, what to try and what to avoid please.

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Google Drive rules! :mrgreen:

As with all cloud storage: don't store anything that might damage you when in the wrong hands. Just music, family pictures, holiday pictures etc. No compromising or embarrassing pictures, sensitive documents, password lists, income data and the like.

Remember: there is no cloud. There's only someone else's computer.
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If it is not your computer, you have no control. If you have no control, you cannot say, what happens with your data. :arrow: Avoid any of them, except for data, which you want to publish for the public.

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The Mega system seems to encrypt the files on my computer before uploading. It's also very generous with its 'free' tier.

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Pastcal wrote:The Mega system seems to encrypt the files on my computer before uploading.
Anything that's encrypted, can be decrypted. Be wise and treat your uploaded files as if they were fully unencrypted.
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Pjotr wrote:Anything that's encrypted, can be decrypted. Be wise and treat your uploaded files as if they were fully unencrypted.
To enhance that:
Encrypted files cannot be decrypted by third parties, which download them. But the service provider most likely can and if the server is placed in the USA the US government can force them to do this (or they probably can do it themselves).

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Dropbox 'lost' 60 million sets of user data. Mega was, in my opinion, ok for storing or sharing as long as it belonged to Kim and of course only as far as you
don't store anything that might damage you.
It has since been bought by a Hong Kong-based group. Who are they? Kim's adversaries surely must have an interest to take a peek; who could resist if the offer is right?

The most dodgy backup solution, again purely in my opinion, is NAS. Synology can not be trusted; much too convenient with their web-based 'find my disk-station' app, hopeless and irresponsible in their dealings with locking malware.

Go offline, back-up your system to an external drive or a NAS that runs on open-source OS and take it off your home network before you go back online again.
Remember: there is no cloud. There's only someone else's computer.
That pretty much nails it.
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encypt before sending.

nuff said.

Preston is correct. Fsck the "cloud" and get your own.
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I've use dropbox, owncloud , Google Drive, and others. all have worked well for me. But as Pjotr has said never ever upload sensitive material that you would not want disclosed.
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im currently building an off-site cold data storage instead of using spideroak. i dont trust any cloud service including browser clouds that save your passwords or bookmarks.

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Cosmo. wrote:
Pjotr wrote:Anything that's encrypted, can be decrypted. Be wise and treat your uploaded files as if they were fully unencrypted.
To enhance that:
Encrypted files cannot be decrypted by third parties, which download them. But the service provider most likely can and if the server is placed in the USA the US government can force them to do this (or they probably can do it themselves).
the general rule is to *not* use any company that is based in the USA.

as mentioned : "it's just someone else's computer" - - it's not rocket science.

buy a portable HDD & place it on the desk, right next to your machine,
- - much, much safer - - far more secure.
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why use any of those services when theres usb storage???

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Hi "Pastcal",

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

There are some really great "cloud" providers available to use now for various things, as was already stated, like Google Drive (great), pCloud (awesome), Mega.nz (great), Dropbox (once they fix their current security issue), etc...

But, I would not store anything on any of them that is supposed to be private to you, or sensitive, or secret, that could hurt you and or others, regardless if they have encrypted communications. One Caveat (unless), if you securely encrypt your folders, files, etc... before sending them to a cloud storage provider using a unique key and password that no other provider knows.

Personally, using a local backup source, like an external hard drive(s), is way better, faster, more secure, than using a Internet cloud solution. I have not understood how people or businesses can effectively use a cloud storage for drive backup because of the speed factor; you are going through the Internet to backup gigabytes, perhaps hundreds of gigabytes of data, or more?? Backing up locally this would not be a problem, but through the Internet where this could take days? But, that's just me.

I prefer to have all my data stored with me, even though I love and use the cloud services for various other reasons, mostly for personal backup (pictures, music, video, some documents, etc...), and for sharing links for those things with family & friends, and some for sharing Linux Mint forum links to hard to find software applications (drivers and such), some for sharing non-sensitive data for applications that I use when booting to another edition of Linux Mint (usually to help others in this forum), on the road travelling using a portable USB flash drive stick of Linux Mint, or some other portable device, or another OS, etc...

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SpiderOak is ok:

https://spideroak.com/

They're "Zero Knowledge." IOW, they don't have the key to decrypt your files. Only you do.
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All of them are "ok" but don't put things on a cloud that you are afraid can hurt you in any way.

If you want to be secure then encrypt everything with a password that is hard to crack before you upload it even.
But still everything is only as safe as the weakest link.
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Google Drive, et al, is a nice tertiary repository for small stuff when I'm on the road without access to the main system(s) for whatever reason, but it is not trusted. The trick is keeping it sync'd with the "primary" data sets. It's just another storage resource after getting that sussed. The Vendor's "trick" as t'were, is to get you to believe you need it and pay for more.

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Cloud? Money vacuum. Just buy another HDD to use for Data Backup only.Either a stand alone job or internal - be your own Cloud.

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Dropbox is a safe bet, but I would suggest giving iDrive or Crashplan a shot, they are both good for SMBs.

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I make a big distinction between online SYNC and online BACKUP. Services that can be casually accessed by shared accounts or the user personally - like Dropbox, OneDrive, and Google Drive - are SYNC. They're extremely handy for keeping files readily updated and accessible in multiple devices, but they are not secure BACKUP, which does not automatically access or change files without an intentional login.

Contrary to popular opinion, the main danger of mixing these things up is not failure by the service provider or nefarious evil genius hackers, it's ordinary stupid human error - mistaken changes or mistaken deletions - by those who are perfectly entitled to access and edit.

I personally use online SYNC very happily across multiple PCs and Android devices, and use different account for sharing or not sharing with specific other people. As far as BACKUP goes, I use a couple of multi-terabyte hard drives monthly using SyncBack in Windows (happen to be familiar with it, there are good Linux alternatives) and that includes backing up the local directories from the online SYNC services to those hard drives.

Finally, independent encryption is a must-do - I keep online SYNC of personal data to a useful minimum BUT I don't trust the online services as far as I can grab their collars and throw them - to protect personal data. For the time being I'm using BoxCryptor Classic on Windows and Android, which is perfectly compatible with Gnome ENCFS Manager in Mint. Obviously, those nefarious genius hackers of Anonymous or the NSA are able to crack that, but the ordinary pimply little jerk who gets access to an online SYNC service is all I'm really worried about.
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