What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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the mint ninja
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What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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Hello-

Last time I played with Linux was when Unity came to Ubuntu and ruined it (my opinion). Before unity, any linux distro with any desktop environment (except unity) ran fine on my machine.

So now, I have a gaming machine, that cannot seem to run any linux desktop environment without it being sluggish. (Even Mint's Cinnamon is sluggish). The best solution I have found right now is running Xubuntu in virtualbox in Windows, that seems to have caused me the least trouble. However if I am running a dual boot system, I'd like to go for a slightly more modern desktop environment. I originally wanted to run Kubuntu or Suse, I wanted to try the KDE Plasma environment but it's just to slow.

So my question, is what is the deal? Am I not installing something right? Is there something I can do to get Linux to run better on my machine? I use to not have this problem at all, but everything seems to be messed up. The only problem I had back then, was when windows would come up with an update that screwed up the boot loader and it had to be reinstalled.

-TMN

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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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Boot straight into Linux and run the following command from terminal. If you type, the letter F is a capital.

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inxi -Fxz
This will give us a look at your system.

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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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Here are a couple of articles on speeding up Mint and Ubuntu:

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/3

https://sites.google.com/site/easylinux ... ject/speed

I hope there's something in there that works for you.
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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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I usually encounter such issues only with open source graphics drivers if the desktop is using 3D acceleration.
And even there, KDE Plasma5 performs great on my Thinkpads with Intel integrated graphics.

Question would be, what graphic card does your computer use?
Also what drivers do you use these with on your Mint installation?

In case you can't tell, we're still here to help.

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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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Here the output from the terminal:

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Host: Erin Kernel: 4.4.0-21-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.3.1)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.0.6 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3)
           Distro: Linux Mint 18 Sarah
Machine:   System: LENOVO product: 10140 v: Erazer X510
           Mobo: LENOVO model: SHARKBAY v: 31900058 STD
           Bios: LENOVO v: IIKT23AUS date: 10/01/2013
CPU:       Quad core Intel Core i7-4770K (-HT-MCP-) cache: 8192 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 27935
           clock speeds: max: 3900 MHz 1: 3747 MHz 2: 3899 MHz 3: 3843 MHz
           4: 3689 MHz 5: 3714 MHz 6: 3496 MHz 7: 3763 MHz 8: 3763 MHz
Graphics:  Card: NVIDIA GK104 [GeForce GTX 770] bus-ID: 01:00.0
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: nvidia (unloaded: fbdev,vesa,nouveau)
           Resolution: 1920x1080@60.00hz
           GLX Renderer: GeForce GTX 770/PCIe/SSE2
           GLX Version: 4.5.0 NVIDIA 367.57 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
           Card-2 NVIDIA GK104 HDMI Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 01:00.1
           Card-3 Logitech driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 003-005
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-21-generic
Network:   Card-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus-ID: 03:00.0
           IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
           Card-2: Realtek RTL8821AE 802.11ac PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
           driver: rtl8821ae port: c000 bus-ID: 04:00.0
           IF: wlp4s0 state: down mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 3250.7GB (0.8% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST2000DX001 size: 2000.4GB
           ID-2: /dev/sdb model: WDC_WD10EZEX size: 1000.2GB
           ID-3: /dev/sdc model: Samsung_SSD_850 size: 250.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 259G used: 8.7G (4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sdb4
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 17.12GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/dm-0
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8C mobo: 27.8C gpu: 0.0:47C
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Info:      Processes: 254 Uptime: 4 min Memory: 1003.3/15995.8MB
           Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
           Client: Shell (bash 4.3.421) inxi: 2.2.35 
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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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the mint ninja wrote:... Even Mint's Cinnamon is sluggish ...
???

Cinnamon is the slowest Mint DE. Considering that you can seriously tweak KDE for speed, which you can't do with Cinnamon, I think it's the slowest one by a long way.

However I do agree that Mint seems to get sllower with every point release, but I don't think it's just Mint. The Ubuntu base has been the same and I don't really think most other distros are much different. It's getting bad to the point where I think people with old/slow hardware (common in Linux) may want to check out really light distros in the future rather then Ubuntu based ones or similar.

I suspect it's one of the usual reasons ... developers would rahter focus on new features than work on really optimizing and debugging what you already have. It's just more boring to fix bugs.

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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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Hoser Rob wrote:
the mint ninja wrote:... Even Mint's Cinnamon is sluggish ...
???

Cinnamon is the slowest Mint DE. Considering that you can seriously tweak KDE for speed, which you can't do with Cinnamon, I think it's the slowest one by a long way.

However I do agree that Mint seems to get sllower with every point release, but I don't think it's just Mint. The Ubuntu base has been the same and I don't really think most other distros are much different. It's getting bad to the point where I think people with old/slow hardware (common in Linux) may want to check out really light distros in the future rather then Ubuntu based ones or similar.

I suspect it's one of the usual reasons ... developers would rahter focus on new features than work on really optimizing and debugging what you already have. It's just more boring to fix bugs.
I am actually starting to think, sluggish DEs are the norm and the linux community is actually fine with it. It's functional, and usable.

The reason I ask, is not to complain. It's really to make sure I am not forgetting something stupid.

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Re: What's the deal with the slow desktops?

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I don't agree.... On the whole, Ubuntu and Linux Mint are almost as fast today, as they were in 2008. From 2006 to 2008, Ubuntu did become a bit heavier, as I recall.

Anyway, just turn off some useless bling-bling like 3D visual effects. And watch your Mint fly. :mrgreen:

What *did* become remarkably more demanding on the system resources is web browsing. But that's perhaps inevitable: the web has become much "richer" than it was 10 years ago.
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