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["Solved"]Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby Serpico » Fri Nov 10, 2017 4:14 pm

Hello guys, newbie here. :lol:

I installed Linux Mint 18.2 yesterday and after the second attempt successfully.
The Reason I wanted to try out Linux was Lightworks, because under Windows it kept crashing on me after a while because my PC ran out of RAM. I thought that had something to do with windows processes running in the Background (I checked task manager and some of them where huge, like 100MB and more) so I thought that Linux does not have those massive background tasks.
On top of that I made the SWAP partition 8GiB big because I thought If it is big enough, my Lightworks might not crash but just become a little slower, in reality it did not, it actually works worse then under windows.

Those are my pc specs:

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System:    Host: serpico-desktop Kernel: 4.8.0-53-generic x86_64 (64 bit gcc: 5.4.0)
           Desktop: Cinnamon 3.4.3 (Gtk 3.18.9-1ubuntu3.3) dm: lightdm Distro: Linux Mint 18.2 Sonya
Machine:   Mobo: ASRock model: 870 Extreme3 Bios: American Megatrends v: P1.60 date: 09/14/2010
CPU:       Triple core AMD Athlon II X3 440 (-MCP-) cache: 1536 KB
           flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 sse4a svm) bmips: 18035
           clock speeds: min/max: 800/3000 MHz 1: 800 MHz 2: 1800 MHz 3: 1800 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Curacao XT [Radeon R7 370 / R9 270X/370 OEM]
           bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 1002:6810
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.4 drivers: ati,radeon (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           Resolution: 1280x1024@60.02hz, 1280x1024@60.02hz
           GLX Renderer: Gallium 0.4 on AMD PITCAIRN (DRM 2.46.0 / 4.8.0-53-generic, LLVM 3.8.0)
           GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 12.0.6 Direct Rendering: Yes
Audio:     Card-1 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA)
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1002:4383
           Card-2 Advanced Micro Devices [AMD/ATI] Cape Verde/Pitcairn HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 7700/7800 Series]
           driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 04:00.1 chip-ID: 1002:aab0
           Card-3 Logitech driver: USB Audio usb-ID: 002-002 chip-ID: 046d:0824
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.8.0-53-generic
Network:   Card: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller
           driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: c800 bus-ID: 02:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:8168
           IF: enp2s0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 1000.2GB (8.9% used)
           ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HD103UJ size: 1000.2GB serial: S13PJDWZ601130
Partition: ID-1: / size: 443G used: 76G (19%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
           ID-2: swap-1 size: 8.19GB used: 1.56GB (19%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3
RAID:      System: supported: N/A
           No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
           Unused Devices: none
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 38.1C mobo: N/A gpu: 49.0
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A
Repos:     Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/maarten-baert-simplescreenrecorder-xenial.list
           deb http: //ppa.launchpad.net/maarten-baert/simplescreenrecorder/ubuntu xenial main
           deb-src http: //ppa.launchpad.net/maarten-baert/simplescreenrecorder/ubuntu xenial main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/numix-ppa-xenial.list
           deb http: //ppa.launchpad.net/numix/ppa/ubuntu xenial main
           deb-src http: //ppa.launchpad.net/numix/ppa/ubuntu xenial main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/official-package-repositories.list
           deb http: //mirror.bauhuette.fh-aachen.de/linuxmint sonya main upstream import backport
           deb http: //debian.charite.de/ubuntu xenial main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http: //debian.charite.de/ubuntu xenial-updates main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http: //debian.charite.de/ubuntu xenial-backports main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http: //security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ xenial-security main restricted universe multiverse
           deb http: //archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ xenial partner
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/snwh-pulp-xenial.list
           deb http: //ppa.launchpad.net/snwh/pulp/ubuntu xenial main
           deb-src http: //ppa.launchpad.net/snwh/pulp/ubuntu xenial main
           Active apt sources in file: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/spotify.list
           deb http: //repository.spotify.com stable non-free
Info:      Processes: 197 Uptime: 1:53 Memory: 3471.9/3950.8MB
           Init: systemd v: 229 runlevel: 5 default: 2 Gcc sys: 5.4.0
Client: Unknown python2.7 client inxi: 2.2.35


Do you guys maybe have an idea on what I should do or what I can do to make it perform better or do think that under my hardware it might be impossible to work better?
In my videos I use some simple greenscreen effects and I need stuff like 2D DVE to make video in video stuff and so on.

I thank you in advance,
-Serpico :)
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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux then Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby Mattyboy » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:05 pm

A lot of the work for video processing is performed by you graphics card. You may get better results running Mint 17.x, a lighter desktop environment, for example MATE and installing the propriety drivers for your AMD Radeon.

How much of a better performance this give you is debatable. The fact Windows didn't like it and looking at your spec's it may be time to invest in an upgraded PC. Editing, rendering video projects, is one on the the most system resource intensive things you can do. No offense intended, your PC is getting a bit long in the tooth.

I'm not sure if it provides, out of the box, the effects you're looking for but you might try Kdenlive, its a light, decent, Linux video editor that may produce better results on your rig.

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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby phd21 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:31 pm

Hi "Serpico",

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum !

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

Video editing is one of the most computer intensive tasks there is, and to do effectively and efficiently does require powerful computer hardware and a good video card. Yours is an older less powerful computer, but it can be done with some video editors like "Kdenlive","openshot", PiTiVi, etc... You can use "proxy clips" with Kdenlive. Do you have Lightworks pro or the free version?

I agree that using Linux Mate or Xfce will probably work better for your hardware and the amount of system memory (ram) that you have. Getting a better video card (Nvidia) would help a lot too. I do not think installing proprietary AMD video drivers would work any better than the default Linux drivers, but you can try.

Increasing the Linux swap file beyond the size of your installed ram will not help much. There is an application called "swapspace" you can install that will help prevent crashing, but your system will still be slow doing things that exceed your system memory.

linux video editor + greenscreen effects
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=PZz&ei=hiQGWtSsCIqukwWIzJGQCg&q=linux+video+editor+%2B+greenscreen+effects&oq=linux+video+editor+%2B+greenscreen+effects&gs_l=psy-ab.3...6020.10430.0.10694.21.18.0.0.0.0.364.2733.0j6j4j2.12.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..17.0.0....0.rUww1779CEU

linux kdenlive + greenscreen effects
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=Kue&ei=lCQGWt7RFJHKkwXp0IDoBQ&q=linux+kdenlive++%2B+greenscreen+effects&oq=linux+kdenlive++%2B+greenscreen+effects&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1615.7004.0.7932.21.16.0.0.0.0.375.2065.0j5j2j2.9.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..16.0.0....0.T2tXok381Ik

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux then Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby Serpico » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:35 pm

Mattyboy wrote:A lot of the work for video processing is performed by you graphics card. You may get better results running Mint 17.x, a lighter desktop environment, for example MATE and installing the propriety drivers for your AMD Radeon.

How much of a better performance this give you is debatable. The fact Windows didn't like it and looking at your spec's it may be time to invest in an upgraded PC. Editing, rendering video projects, is one on the the most system resource intensive things you can do. No offense intended, your PC is getting a bit long in the tooth.

I'm not sure if it provides, out of the box, the effects you're looking for but you might try Kdenlive, its a light, decent, Linux video editor that may produce better results on your rig.


No, you are totally right. my pc is too old, I know that. If I had the money, I would by myself a new machine ASAP. However, what I am wondering now is why linux is handling this worse than my windows. On windows10 ! was able to make way bigger videos with way more effects and rendering as on linux. On linux it crashed in my first 5 minutes of using lightworks while I was just adding some clips... but I think I will not go through the hassle yet again to install an older linux version. I will keep linux mint as it is and then just try to edit my videos as far as I can under windows.

I will give kdenlive a try though.

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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby Serpico » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:41 pm

phd21 wrote:Hi "Serpico",

Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux Mint and its excellent forum !

I just read your post and the good replies to it. Here are my thoughts on this as well.

Video editing is one of the most computer intensive tasks there is, and to do effectively and efficiently does require powerful computer hardware and a good video card. Yours is an older less powerful computer, but it can be done with some video editors like "Kdenlive","openshot", PiTiVi, etc... You can use "proxy clips" with Kdenlive. Do you have Lightworks pro or the free version?

I agree that using Linux Mate or Xfce will probably work better for your hardware and the amount of system memory (ram) that you have. Getting a better video card (Nvidia) would help a lot too. I do not think installing proprietary AMD video drivers would work any better than the default Linux drivers, but you can try.

Increasing the Linux swap file beyond the size of your installed ram will not help much. There is an application called "swapspace" you can install that will help prevent crashing, but your system will still be slow doing things that exceed your system memory.

linux video editor + greenscreen effects
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=PZz&ei=hiQGWtSsCIqukwWIzJGQCg&q=linux+video+editor+%2B+greenscreen+effects&oq=linux+video+editor+%2B+greenscreen+effects&gs_l=psy-ab.3...6020.10430.0.10694.21.18.0.0.0.0.364.2733.0j6j4j2.12.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..17.0.0....0.rUww1779CEU

linux kdenlive + greenscreen effects
https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=Kue&ei=lCQGWt7RFJHKkwXp0IDoBQ&q=linux+kdenlive++%2B+greenscreen+effects&oq=linux+kdenlive++%2B+greenscreen+effects&gs_l=psy-ab.3...1615.7004.0.7932.21.16.0.0.0.0.375.2065.0j5j2j2.9.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..16.0.0....0.T2tXok381Ik

Hope this helps ...


Thank you! Yeah those two suggestions will help me out I think. I use the Free version of Lightworks but yeah, ass long as there are other editing tools to try out, I will give them a chance. Openshot for example does look good too! but if those won't work either, I will try to get as far as I can under windows with editing, while using linux for other stuff!

Yeah an Nvidia card would be the better option if I want to continue using linux because I read that AMD is not really good for linux because of the drivers or something.

But yeah, your suggestions are worth a try. I thank you for that!

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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby phd21 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:54 pm

Hi "Serpico",

You are welcome...

Cinnamon is a great edition of Linux Mint, but it does require more resources than Mate or Xfce. Mate is the most hardware compatible and may work much better with your hardware as is. It only takes about 16 minutes or less to install any edition of Linux Mint, and then whatever time to install the updates.

You can get a new decent Nvidia card on Amazon.com and Ebay, etc... at reasonable prices.

Hope this helps ...
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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby prestonR » Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:57 am

If you want to try kdenlive a tip: Due to quite rapid development there is a remarkable difference between older and newer versions. In my experience the newer ones offer not only more features but have also proved more stable. Since Mint does not offer the latest versions in their repos I'd recommend trying a live version of the latest UbuntuStudio Artful Aardvark 17.10 and, if happy, consider installing it as a dual/multiboot.

Yes, you'd have to spend 20 min every 9 month to reinstall if you want to stay up-to-date but you'll get:

- a lean system running a low-latency kernel
- video editors Kdenlive v17.08.2, Pitivi v0.98.1 and Blender v2.78.c
- a number of other audio/video tools
- the necessary repos all setup

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Re: Lightworks works worse under Linux than Windows? Lightworks crashed after simple video editing

Postby Serpico » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:35 pm

phd21 wrote:Hi "Serpico",

You are welcome...

Cinnamon is a great edition of Linux Mint, but it does require more resources than Mate or Xfce. Mate is the most hardware compatible and may work much better with your hardware as is. It only takes about 16 minutes or less to install any edition of Linux Mint, and then whatever time to install the updates.

You can get a new decent Nvidia card on Amazon.com and Ebay, etc... at reasonable prices.

Hope this helps ...


Yeah that helps, thank you. :D

prestonR wrote:If you want to try kdenlive a tip: Due to quite rapid development there is a remarkable difference between older and newer versions. In my experience the newer ones offer not only more features but have also proved more stable. Since Mint does not offer the latest versions in their repos I'd recommend trying a live version of the latest UbuntuStudio Artful Aardvark 17.10 and, if happy, consider installing it as a dual/multiboot.

Yes, you'd have to spend 20 min every 9 month to reinstall if you want to stay up-to-date but you'll get:

- a lean system running a low-latency kernel
- video editors Kdenlive v17.08.2, Pitivi v0.98.1 and Blender v2.78.c
- a number of other audio/video tools
- the necessary repos all setup


I didn't even know such an Ubuntu Distribution ever existed! That indeed is a quite interesting thing to look into. :) I should really test that out on a later date.

However you guys, here is what I have decided for now, just for now. Lightworks as is, currently works decent enough on windows, if I keep my editing a little bit more simple. So, I will use my windows partition just for cutting and editing the videos. My Linux Mint Parition will be used for the rest wich means, browsing the web, editing pictures, writing documents... the daily stuff if you will. Then, at a later date, when I feel more comfortable in Linux I will look into UbuntuStudio Artful Aardvark 17.10


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