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Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:59 pm
by Mattyboy
Ain't the bigger 'red flag' being the fact now M$ and google both have seats of power at the Linux foundation?..... and we all know who's wages they pay...

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:25 pm
by gm10
Mattyboy wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:59 pm
Ain't the bigger 'red flag' being the fact now M$ and google both have seats of power at the Linux foundation?..... and we all know who's wages they pay...
Considering Google provides the most popular Linux distro it would be very weird for them not to have a seat at the table. And Microsoft has been a big contributor to open source as well for a while now, although with their WSL efforts they are of course trying to keep the Linux parts of it in the family.

Re: New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:53 pm
by catweazel
michael louwe wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:51 am
catweazel wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:25 am
Moem wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:11 am

No, a hypothetical:

I'm sure that you know what 'if' means.
Of course, I could be wrong :mrgreen:
Nonsense. :D
Touche :)

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 10:34 am
by Mattyboy
gm10 wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:25 pm

Considering Google provides the most popular Linux distro it would be very weird for them not to have a seat at the table. And Microsoft has been a big contributor to open source as well for a while now, although with their WSL efforts they are of course trying to keep the Linux parts of it in the family.
Interesting isn't it. Various Linux disto's available in Windows now and their new Linux based IOT OS in the pipeline. Fingers in many pies.

Re: New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:32 am
by whm1974
rado84 wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 4:55 pm
michael louwe wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 3:29 pm
Even if this were to happen, LM can turn directly to Debian as its base, ie bypasses the M$-owned Ubuntu. Linux users can also opt for non-Ubuntu-based distros, ... https://itsfoss.com/non-ubuntu-beginner-linux/
Which would be sad, if it were to happen. Cuz non-ubuntu (non-debian) based distroes are... well, they're not like Mint. There's no Synaptic in them, no Software Manager, no easy commands like "sudo apt-get install" and everything is unnecessarily hard. There's even a command which sounds a lot like "yoghurt". :lol: Which is why I like Mint so much and despite the recent problems with microcode-kernels, I keep coming back to it. I tried Arch based, suse-muse, Fedora, even some free derivative of RedHat and there's no other distro like Mint.
Personally I think the way Manjaro Xfce add/remove software program does things much better then Synaptic, but is just my humble opinion.

Re: New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:12 pm
by gm10
whm1974 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:32 am
Personally I think the way Manjaro Xfce add/remove software program does things much better then Synaptic, but is just my humble opinion.
Heh, Synaptic is a huge mess for a new user, anyway. Without a decent understanding of the package/repository system I don't think anybody will understand half of what's going on in that software. Pacman is much simpler to use in that regard.

That said, it's hard to break habits. Once you get people used to one way of doing it it takes disproportionately higher amounts of convincing to get them to change. We all know it's part of the success story of operating systems. Canonical/Ubuntu had to learn that the hard way, too.

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:17 pm
by Pjotr
Synaptic is only for the advanced users, that's true (and an invaluable tool for them, as well).

However: isn't it much more appropriate to compare the Manjaro Xfce add/remove software program, with Software Manager instead?

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:27 pm
by gm10
Pjotr wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 12:17 pm
However: isn't it much more appropriate to compare the Manjaro Xfce add/remove software program, with Software Manager instead?
For the GUI, Software + Update Manager combined, yeah. Basically. But the CLI version we'd have to compare to apt I guess. It's hard to do a 1:1 comparison on that one. I understand why he compared it to Synaptic.

Re: New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 5:47 pm
by rado84
whm1974 wrote:
Sat Jul 14, 2018 11:32 am
Personally I think the way Manjaro Xfce add/remove software program does things much better then Synaptic, but is just my humble opinion.
The thing about Manjaro (all DEs, no exceptions) I "loved" so much it made me puke and quickly move back to Mint was the constant and unstoppable crashing something called "logout-greeter" which as I understand is responsible for restarting/shutting down/suspending the computer. When it crashes you can do none of the above and the only way to reboot/shut down your computer is hard reset using the button on the case. Which in my book is not a normal operating system. :roll:

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 6:36 pm
by Schultz
Pjotr wrote:
Synaptic is only for the advanced users,
I don't get that. What's so hard about it?

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:41 pm
by rado84
I wonder the same thing as Schultz. I'm far from advanced user and I still manage quite fine with Synaptic. My only "weapon" for that is speaking English and carefully reading the description in the cases I'm not familiar with the package.

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:50 pm
by Backwoods Penguin
lsemmens wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:04 am
I don't particularly care who "owns" my system, as long as it does what I need it to, when I need to do it. Isn't that what most require of a computer.
Yes, and that is very unfortunate. The vast majority of people are willing to (literally) be assigned a "Unique Marketing ID" and give up any reasonable amount of privacy as long as less effort is required of them. I choose a different path because I value my privacy and am willing to take steps to minimize being monitored.

I don't wear Tinfoil, however I don't dismiss those who do either.

Re: [SOLVED] New user worried about Microsoft

Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2018 9:56 pm
by lsemmens
Backwoods Penguin wrote:
Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:50 pm
lsemmens wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:04 am
I don't particularly care who "owns" my system, as long as it does what I need it to, when I need to do it. Isn't that what most require of a computer.
Yes, and that is very unfortunate. The vast majority of people are willing to (literally) be assigned a "Unique Marketing ID" and give up any reasonable amount of privacy as long as less effort is required of them. I choose a different path because I value my privacy and am willing to take steps to minimize being monitored.

I don't wear Tinfoil, however I don't dismiss those who do either.
No argument with you there. I also turned off everything that I could when in Windoze, I'd probably still be there if it weren't so unstable. NO! I will not willingly
return.