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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited

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athi wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:55 am
That would be the simplest way to install given all the troubles you are having. Key thing is to ensure that you confirm Mint live session did boot in legacy BIOS mode. Updating GRUB to detect Win7 should be trivial.
Thanks for responding. Yesterday I opened Mint from the flash drive and poked around some. Should I assume, since I went through the steps to authenticate etc. yesterday, that the Mint file is complete and ready to go?

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited

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If you mean to burn the ISO, yes. You can also verify the media using the GRUB menu option before booting into Mint.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited

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Again, thanks. I'm about to shut this machine down and unplug the W7 HDD. I'll use the laptop to follow the Mint installation guide cited earlier here. I'll post back with the grisly (or not) details.

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited

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Pleased to report that, after all that went before, the Mint installation was a no-drama event and the only steps that varied from the installation guide were intuitive. Interestingly, the installer found Cinnamon 19.1 on the HDD that Windows showed as blank- this would have been from my previous attempt and was likely not fully realized, as I was not up to speed on the verification steps at that time.

The only item missing is the GRUB screen at bootup- the system defaults to Windows when started. But I can open Mint using the F12 key on booting up. This is actually ok for now, but at some point I would like to see that GRUB screen when powering up. Meanwhile, as time permits, I'll work on "moving in" to Mint.

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When I do the Mint install on the laptop- Acer Aspire E1-731, also running Windows 7 HP x64, can I use the same flash drive that is already loaded with Mint?

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Slowpoke wrote
When I do the Mint install on the laptop- Acer Aspire E1-731, also running Windows 7 HP x64, can I use the same flash drive that is already loaded with Mint?
Yes, save that flash drive. It can be reused for other machines or if you have to reinstall on the current machine.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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The only item missing is the GRUB screen at bootup- the system defaults to Windows when started. But I can open Mint using the F12 key on booting up.
Go into the BIOS and set Linux as the first boot device, then you can boot either from GRUB without needing the F12 key.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Larry78723 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:55 pm
Yes, save that flash drive. It can be reused for other machines or if you have to reinstall on the current machine.
Yes, seemed logical to me. But, as a Slowpoke, I had to ask.
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Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:56 pm
The only item missing is the GRUB screen at bootup- the system defaults to Windows when started. But I can open Mint using the F12 key on booting up.
Go into the BIOS and set Linux as the first boot device, then you can boot either from GRUB without needing the F12 key.
Thanks, same answer as above. For now I'll let Windows open by default until I'm more familiar with Mint- will eventually set that up.

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Good to hear that you got it running.

Is the Acer Aspire E1-731 running Win7 or Win10? If Win7 in legacy BIOS installation, the same procedure would work. If Win10 in UEFI mode, there are a few changes to get a working Mint installation. But you should start another post for those questions.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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athi wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:04 pm
Good to hear that you got it running.
And in no small part thanks to you, much appreciated!
athi wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 3:04 pm
Is the Acer Aspire E1-731 running Win7 or Win10?
Win7, same as desktop. Only difference, or course, is the HDD will be partitioned. That's OK because very few files on that machine, so plenty of room
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Spearmint2 wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:56 pm
Go into the BIOS and set Linux as the first boot device, then you can boot either from GRUB without needing the F12 key.
I'd also add, as the Win7 HDD was disconnected when Mint was installed:
To add Windows to the GRUB menu (this will also set the GRUB menu to show at boot; it probably doesn't, yet, when you boot Mint from the F12 option), you'll need to open a Terminal in Mint and run sudo update-grub. :)

You can set GRUB to automatically boot whichever operating system you want, after a set timeout (which you can also change if you want).
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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BG405 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:50 pm
you'll need to open a Terminal in Mint and run sudo update-grub. :)
Thank you. As a non-tech, I don't know what "open a terminal" means.

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Maybe he should use the Grub Customizer GUI, but then we'd have to explain how to add a PPA. By your Menu button, see a black box? Clk on it. That is Terminal. It's a "DOS looking screen, but not DOS" where you can run commands, or similar to windows CMD or command screen.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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The button that looks like this, but in inverted colours: >_, as Spearmint said .. it's also in the menu and in the default "Favourites" pane which I get on a Live MATÉ session on clicking the Menu button. :)

Also BTW I wouldn't recommend Grub Customizer due to the way it complicates things with changes which are difficult to reverse, not just for a newbie either. Not sure how GC would help in this case anyway. :wink:
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Spearmint2 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:25 pm
Maybe he should use the Grub Customizer GUI, but then we'd have to explain how to add a PPA. By your Menu button, see a black box? Clk on it. That is Terminal. It's a "DOS looking screen, but not DOS" where you can run commands, or similar to windows CMD or command screen.
There are strong opinion against Grub customizer by some very respected members like Pjotr. I second it.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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deepakdeshp wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:59 pm
Spearmint2 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:25 pm
Maybe he should use the Grub Customizer GUI, but then we'd have to explain how to add a PPA. By your Menu button, see a black box? Clk on it. That is Terminal. It's a "DOS looking screen, but not DOS" where you can run commands, or similar to windows CMD or command screen.
There are strong opinion against Grub customizer by some very respected members like Pjotr. I second it.
Where can I read these opinions. Is it ONLY because it's a PPA, which I know is anathema to some, or some other possible reasons? I can tell you I was happy to use mkusb when it was in PPA, and now it's in Package Manager. My objection is "yannubuntu" doesn't use his actual name, or at least not full name, only works by "profile".
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Spearmint2 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 5:13 pm
Where can I read these opinions.
Here are a couple of threads, opinions on both sides:

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=254120
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=257778

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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Thanks. I'll read them tonight in a bit.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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I should have provided more info. Computer is Dell 519 Inspiron. Current OS's, both fully functional. are W7 HP x64 and Mint Mate 19.2. Mint OS successfully loaded from authenticated flash drive a couple of days ago. The F12 key generates the menu in the lower photo (blue)- the Mint disk is highlighted and opens Mint on request. Opened a terminal window in Mint and typed in sudo update-grub and pressed enter, which generated the text in the top photo and results in the black screen shown (center photo), now displays long enough to read and make a choice. From this screen I can boot either OS. This screen is generated via F12 in Boot Options. Looks like if I can get Mint to be the default OS I'll have what I need to choose the OS each time on bootup.
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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The middle screen is the grub boot menu, and it shows both Mint and Win7, so looks like you are good to go. Do you want to increase the time that grub menu is displayed?
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Re: Dual boot with Windows 7 revisited (SOLVED)

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Great, all that is proper, very normal.

https://askubuntu.com/questions/100232/ ... boot-order

Above changes entry in /etc/default/grub to accomplish a boot order change.

In past I've also accessed the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and found the "menu entry" line I wanted to boot first, then cut/pasted it as the first "menu entry" above the others.

Grub Customizer is mentioned, but maybe better if not used, since boot order isn't too hard to do manually.
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