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Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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Another noob question.
Thanks for reading it.

My pc beeps twice but 20 seconds apart.
It was suggested that it might be a boot loop.

What would this count as please?
I asked in Toms but realised that it doesn't do it when I boot to windows (on a separate drive)

The fans start immediately.
The monitor remains with no signal.
Beeps once and zoostorm logo appears.
Then blank screen for 16-17 seconds.
Beep once.
Boots to desktop.

Only have the one drive plugged in. The SSD with Linux.
Tried unplugging the CD.

When I restart, the fans don't come to a stop which they used to.

I am not sure when it started, but probably when I changed all my drives over.
Played a bit of a game of pass the parcel with windows Linux and storage.
Unplugging and plugging drives in (making sure I didn't delete the wrong stuff).
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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Beeps once and zoostorm logo appears.
What is zoostorm?

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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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Thank you.
Zoostorm is a brand of pcs, I assume that is where the motherboard originally came from.

I boot from SSD.

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System:    Host: LinuxPC Kernel: 4.15.0-58-generic x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.4.0 Desktop: Cinnamon 4.0.10 
           Distro: Linux Mint 19.1 Tessa base: Ubuntu 18.04 bionic 
Machine:   Type: Desktop System: ZOOSTORM product: 7010-0340C v: 7010-0340C serial: <filter> 
           Mobo: Gigabyte model: B85-HD3 v: x.x serial: <filter> UEFI: American Megatrends v: F2 date: 09/24/2014 
CPU:       Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-4690 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Haswell rev: 3 L2 cache: 6144 KiB 
           flags: lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 27936 
           Speed: 1758 MHz min/max: 800/3900 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1879 2: 2909 3: 3282 4: 3280 
Graphics:  Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Gigabyte driver: i915 v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:02.0 
           Device-2: NVIDIA GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia v: 390.116 bus ID: 01:00.0 
           Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: modesetting,nvidia unloaded: fbdev,nouveau,vesa resolution: 1360x768~60Hz 
           OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GTX 550 Ti/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 390.116 direct render: Yes 
Audio:     Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:03.0 
           Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Gigabyte driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
           bus ID: 00:1b.0 
           Device-3: NVIDIA GF116 High Definition Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 
           Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.0-58-generic 
Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Gigabyte driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI 
           port: d000 bus ID: 03:00.0 
           IF: enp3s0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> 
Drives:    Local Storage: total: 232.89 GiB used: 55.49 GiB (23.8%) 
           ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Crucial model: CT250MX500SSD1 size: 232.89 GiB 
           Message: No Optical or Floppy data was found. 
Partition: ID-1: / size: 227.74 GiB used: 55.48 GiB (24.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C gpu: nvidia temp: 60 C 
           Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nvidia fan: 30% 
Info:      Processes: 258 Uptime: 7h 49m Memory: 19.49 GiB used: 4.64 GiB (23.8%) Init: systemd runlevel: 5 Compilers: 
           gcc: 7.4.0 Shell: bash v: 4.4.20 inxi: 3.0.27 
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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The beeps indicate a message from POST (Power-On-Self-Test). The meaning can differ by brand of motherboard.
You can find an expanation of some brands here. https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm

If that does not help, try homepage of maker of motherboard and search for POST error messages beep.

This is NOT a Mint problem ! It is a hardware issue.

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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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TI58C wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 7:03 am
The beeps indicate a message from POST (Power-On-Self-Test). The meaning can differ by brand of motherboard.
You can find an expanation of some brands here. https://www.computerhope.com/beep.htm

If that does not help, try homepage of maker of motherboard and search for POST error messages beep.

This is NOT a Mint problem ! It is a hardware issue.

Robert
Oh, OK, thanks.
I thought the beeps all happened at the beginning rather than 16-17 seconds apart.

It doesn't happen when I boot to windows.

I shall try and find how long apart the beeps are meant to be or something.
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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If the beeps do not happen when you boot into windows, I may be entirely wrong ! I apologize.

If the beeps are caused by a POST-error, they should happen BEFORE even reading the mbr/boot record, and far before any attempt to load any OS !!

So , again, I may heve been too fast with my opinion/diagnosis if windows does not give the same beeps !!! Sorry.


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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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TI58C wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:31 am
If the beeps do not happen when you boot into windows, I may be entirely wrong ! I apologize.

If the beeps are caused by a POST-error, they should happen BEFORE even reading the mbr/boot record, and far before any attempt to load any OS !!

So , again, I may heve been too fast with my opinion/diagnosis if windows does not give the same beeps !!! Sorry.


Robert
OK, thanks.
Appreciate you coming back in there, was getting a bit lost.
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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self-image always should yield to truth !

Hate that I was wrong. But I was.

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Yes, I am a huge fan of truth.
As I say, it is appreciated.

Some good came from it though.
I messaged the manufacturer which was triggered from your comment.
Will be interesting to see what they say.
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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Well, they replied, so, Kudos to them.
Does the suggested advice make sense please?
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Hello,

Do you have software/hardware update prior this?

Please disconnect the hard drive and see if the system boot into BIOS.

Please try to reset the CMOS to see if it help.
1) Disconnect the power cord from the power supply. Remove the CMOS battery (the flat silver disk) from the motherboard. Leave it out for a minute or two, then replace it and power on the system. The BIOS settings should have been reset, allowing the computer to boot.
2) Go into the BIOS - “Load optimized default”
3) Save settings and exit.
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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TI58C wrote:
Wed Sep 04, 2019 11:31 am
If the beeps do not happen when you boot into windows,
I just had a thought.
This information does not rule out a hardware issue.
They are on different drives.
Could be my SSD maybe.
If it IS hardware, it couldn't be anything else as I change nothing else when I boot to windows.

More information:
I reset my CMOS as per the Gigabyte tech instructions.
No difference.

I have two different pairs of RAM (both matched to each other though).
So, I tried each pair of Ram in each channel individually.
Interestingly, when I out the Hypertec (2x8GB) in the grey channel, the gap between beeps went up to 21 secs.
Is that it counting my RAMs?
Oh, no, that doesn't make sense as it would be a longer gap when I have all 20gb in there wouldn't it?

If I only put in the Hynix (2x2gb) the gap comes down to 10 secs.

The other thing I thought was to try different SATA port as I had mucked about with drives etc etc, but that made no difference.
I am down to only my SSD in port 0.

I have had quite a lot of changes over the last few months.
KB, mouse, cpu, RAM, changed my drives around and put Linux on my SSD.

When I swap out my mouse for old one, no difference.
When I swap out KB, the gap comes down to 10 seconds.

I also tried my old kb with the Hynix RAM, seems like shortest gap between beeps I can achieve is 10 secs.
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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lexqbit wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 5:29 am
you might be dealing with a motherboard issue, I remember some manufacturers has light signals on a motherboard to detect possible problems, and beeps means certain hardware issue maybe. I would suggest checking the hardware manufacturers guide for detecting issues like this. in my experience this looks like hardware issue. I once had an issue with my game PC changed all components and at the end it turned out the PC power supply was too low for the configuration.

I hope this helps and wish you success.
Regards, Lex
Thanks. That was my initial thought. Can't work out what it would be though.
I have looked at the manual and beep code guide.
It doesn't say how far apart beeps are, but I have heard beeps before, but they have always been close together. Not 10-20 secs apart.
I would have thought the distance between beeps would be consistent wouldn't they? Not change when swap keyboards or RAM.

Also, what confuses that bit, is that it is fine when i boot to windows. Although that is on an HDD while my Linux is on an SSD.
So, if it is hardware, I am thinking it would have to be the SSD, right? Or could something else be happening here?
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lexqbit wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:09 am
Contacting a hardware specialist is your best option in my opinion.

Regards, Lex
OK, thanks.
I have heard back from Gigabyte and they are suggestion I flash my bios.
I have version F2 and they are suggesting F4.

"Please note that because updating BIOS has potential risk, please do it with caution!"

How does one do it 'with caution'? (Should I wrap a cushion to my head while doing?)
What is 'uncautiously'?

It also says on the download screen 'Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction.'
Does that mean to not stop halfway or something?
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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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Grarea wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:05 pm

I have heard back from Gigabyte and they are suggestion I flash my bios.
I have version F2 and they are suggesting F4.

"Please note that because updating BIOS has potential risk, please do it with caution!"

How does one do it 'with caution'? (Should I wrap a cushion to my head while doing?)
What is 'uncautiously'?

It also says on the download screen 'Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction.'
Does that mean to not stop halfway or something?
NEVER interrupt the flashing process once started.

I've flashed BIOS's on dozens of PC's over the years, and never had a problem, but, I always have the system running on a UPS in case of a power outage, which is the worst case scenario while flashing a BIOS.

I've never had that happen, probably because I always cover my butt :lol:

Most newer systems have alternate on-board BIOS's so you can revert back to a working one if one fails.

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LogMan wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:34 pm
Grarea wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:05 pm

I have heard back from Gigabyte and they are suggestion I flash my bios.
I have version F2 and they are suggesting F4.

"Please note that because updating BIOS has potential risk, please do it with caution!"

How does one do it 'with caution'? (Should I wrap a cushion to my head while doing?)
What is 'uncautiously'?

It also says on the download screen 'Inadequate BIOS flashing may result in system malfunction.'
Does that mean to not stop halfway or something?

I've never had that happen, probably because I always cover my butt :lol:
With the cushion?
:)

Thank you for that.
I have just looked it up.
Mine has 'DualBios' (Backup Bios).
That makes me feel happier.
Thanks.
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Grarea wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 12:39 pm

With the cushion?
:mrgreen:

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Well, I am cushioned top and tail.
Got a flash drive ready.
It states that " The USB flash drive or hard drive must use FAT32/16/12 file system. "

Does it matter which one?

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Disk /dev/loop0: 88.5 MiB, 92778496 bytes, 181208 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes


Disk /dev/loop1: 88.7 MiB, 92983296 bytes, 181608 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes


Disk /dev/loop2: 99.3 MiB, 104161280 bytes, 203440 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes


Disk /dev/loop3: 99.3 MiB, 104161280 bytes, 203440 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes


Disk /dev/sda: 232.9 GiB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Disklabel type: gpt
Disk identifier: ECC976B0-FBD5-4E58-ABE4-103DE0C1F2F4

Device       Start       End   Sectors   Size Type
/dev/sda1     2048   1050623   1048576   512M EFI System
/dev/sda2  1050624 488396799 487346176 232.4G Linux filesystem


Disk /dev/sdb: 1 MiB, 1048576 bytes, 2048 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0x44d75540

Device     Boot Start   End Sectors  Size Id Type
/dev/sdb1          32  2047    2016 1008K  1 FAT12


Disk /dev/sdc: 955 MiB, 1001390080 bytes, 1955840 sectors
Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disklabel type: dos
Disk identifier: 0xe84dcfdb

Device     Boot Start     End Sectors   Size Id Type
/dev/sdc1        8064 1955839 1947776 951.1M  e W95 FAT16 (LBA)
My huge 1gb USB stick is sdb1 and sdc1, right?
Which is formatted FAT16.
Do you know if I should be formatting it a different way for any reason?
*covering butt*
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Well, I updated my BIOS.
Still the same thing.

One of the questions the guy asked was do the leds come on when booting.
They do, then go off and come back on again.
Does that sound like 'double booting' or a 'boot loop'?
Or are they the same thing?

I know it has been suggested I take it to someone.
Trouble is, I can't get it on my pushbike.
I would have to take the bus I guess.
All seems like a lot of fuss.
Would be nice to work it out eh?
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Sounds like a problem with the SSD to me.
I would say to test the ram with memtest but if it runs fine with Windows then I still suspect the SSD.
Have you ran the Crucial system scanner and the Crucial Storage executive tool ?

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Re: Boot Loop ? Beeps twice 20 seconds apart.

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well, have you unplugged everything then boot to live mint? i mean unplug both drives then hard power off. boot if it let you into live mint. then plug in your HHD and boot to live. then unlug your HHD and use your SSD
also do you have any other HDMI like a TV plugged it?
my HDMI TV resolution is low, many times when win10 updates i get a black screen at boot unless i unplug my TV.
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